Subject: Smooching Steve
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:23:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rebecca L. Webb"
Yee haw, a mailing list! What have I missed?
Just in case I'm first, here's a topic to get things going. I've discussed this
privately before but didn't really figure it out.
How come Steve says (he told Tom DiCillo) his kissing of Catherine Keener (in
LIVING IN OBLIVION) is the first time he ever got to kiss the girl? Didn't ED
AND HIS DEAD MOTHER come before LIVING IN OBLIVION? Why doesn't ED
count?
Rebecca
{Moderator's note: This is the first message of the mailing list ever.}
For anyone who missed the Vanity Fair article on the LIO Trio (Steve, Dermot,
and James, the stars of LIVING IN OBLIVION), the photo from it is on my Mulroney
Tidbits web page along with the words to the LIO Trio Lament.
Rebecca L. Webb wrote:
> Yee haw, a mailing list! What have I missed?
Hey Rebecca! I'm not sure you missed much, since I think Marni just
started the list a week or so ago.
> Just in case I'm first, here's a topic to get things going. I've
discussed this privately before but didn't really figure it out.
> How come Steve says (he told Tom DiCillo) his kissing of Catherine
Keener (in LIVING IN OBLIVION) is the first time he ever got to kiss
the girl? Didn't ED AND HIS DEAD MOTHER come before LIVING IN OBLIVION?
Why doesn't ED count?
Yes, Ed and His Dead Mother predates LIO (by 2 or 3 years, I think). I
have yet to see all of Ed and His Dead Mother, so I can't comment on the
kissing scene, but maybe he was referring to kissing the lead gal?
Dunno. By the way, if anyone has Ed and His Dead Mother on tape, I'd
love to see it...:)
So, does anyone know when The Big Lebowski is due to come out? I keep
hearing different dates...
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Kym Banoczi wrote:
> Rebecca L. Webb wrote:
>> How come Steve says (he told Tom DiCillo) his kissing of Catherine
Keener (in LIVING IN OBLIVION) is the first time he ever got to kiss
the girl? Didn't ED AND HIS DEAD MOTHER come before LIVING IN OBLIVION?
Why doesn't ED count?
> Yes, Ed and His Dead Mother predates LIO (by 2 or 3 years, I think). I
have yet to see all of Ed and His Dead Mother, so I can't comment on the
kissing scene, but maybe he was referring to kissing the lead gal?
I'm going to leave this one alone until after she's seen it. I wouldn't
want to spoil it. ;-)
> Dunno. By the way, if anyone has Ed and His Dead Mother on tape, I'd
love to see it...:)
I just searched my tapes, and found that this is one that I don't have
yet. :-( To make matters worse, the best video store in all of the
Riverside-Moreno Valley area went out of business last year because they
failed to pay the rent. They were so cool because they had so much of
Steve's stuff, including _Ed and His Dead Mother_ and _Kiss Daddy
Goodnight_. I suppose all good things must come to an end. *sigh*
> So, does anyone know when The Big Lebowski is due to come out? I keep
hearing different dates...
The last date that I saw was in US or Entertainment Weekly saying that it
would be December or January. Premiere has it listed as a fall release.
I personally don't think that anyone is going to have a clue when this
movie will come out until it actually does. That seems to be the general
trend in Hollywood these days.
Getting back on topic: What did everyone think of the picture of Steve
from _The Big Lebowski_ that showed up in one of the magazines? I
personally thought that he looked horrible. The hair was awful (and
that's bad since it was short) and the clothes definitely have to go.
You think that he hates bowling, as much as he does golfing?
Marni
Subject: Nick and Nicole
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:36:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rebecca L. Webb"
In message Kym Banoczi writes: (about Steve kissing Catherine in LIO)
> maybe he was referring to kissing the lead gal?
You know, this reminds me of a topic I've wondered about for a while.
Heads up, Marni, this is WAY controversial.
I've asserted more than once that I think Tom DiCillo has an excessive
(i.e. possibly inappropriate) crush on Catherine Keener...another man's
wife. Check out the weirdness in the published screenplay for LIO...Tom
talks about Catherine spending a lot of time visiting him, sans Dermot (I
suppose Tom's wife might have been around). He also talks about making
two separate calls to tell Catherine and Dermot about how LIO was doing
at Sundance (what, spouses don't communicate anymore, even if they're in
separate places?).
And then there's the obvious implied link in naming the characters Nick and
Nicole and giving Steve a speech about the director writing the script
because he's in love with the leading actress (DiCillo has admitted he
wrote LIO for Catherine).
Has Steve ever discussed this? I've seen him discuss Nick the director,
but what about Nick the leading man, Nick the love interest to Nicole?
Rebecca
P.S. - yes, there's Steve content in the LIO screenplay publication. He
flew in and out of Sundance at mach speed accompanied by a publicist
schlepping him around at a frantic pace. I don't think he was able to
have as much fun as the other LIOites.
Subject: Re: Nick and Nicole
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:10:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marni Hager
On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Rebecca L. Webb wrote:
> You know, this reminds me of a topic I've wondered about for a while.
Heads up, Marni, this is WAY controversial.
And, if this list were more active, I would have thrown most of it out.
However because this list is rather quiet at the moment, I will allow
posts that are related to the movies Steve's been in, even if the content
is about co-stars. (If you disagree with this policy, let's deal with it
now since we are a small group and have the time.)
> I've asserted more than once that I think Tom DiCillo has an excessive
(i.e. possibly inappropriate) crush on Catherine Keener...another man's
wife. Check out the weirdness in the published screenplay for LIO...Tom
talks about Catherine spending a lot of time visiting him, sans Dermot
(I suppose Tom's wife might have been around). He also talks about
making two separate calls to tell Catherine and Dermot about how LIO was
doing at Sundance (what, spouses don't communicate anymore, even if
they're in separate places?).
Even if DiCillo has an excessive crush on Keener, what's the real problem
if he's not acting it out? I have a "crush" on Steve (although, it's
probably in a much different way than any of you), and have even written
parts of scripts for him. It doesn't mean that I'm going to act on my
wishes. And it must be considered that DiCillo is a good friend to both
Keener and Mulroney. There is an element to marriage called trust. Don't
forget that Mulroney has been working a tremendous amount these past few
years. Wouldn't you want to go hang out with some friends if your spouse
weren't around? As for the separate calls, I don't see anything wrong
with that either. DiCillo was the director and was actually there when
they weren't. Why get the information second hand, when you can get it
from the source?
> And then there's the obvious implied link in naming the characters Nick and
Nicole and giving Steve a speech about the director writing the script
because he's in love with the leading actress (DiCillo has admitted he
wrote LIO for Catherine).
You've lost me on the naming of the characters bit. As for writing the
script for Keener, he referred to wanting to write something for her
because Johnny Suede did not receive the attention he thought it should.
(I'll double check this tomorrow.) Also, LiO began as a short and was
expanded *only after* it received wonderful comments.
> Has Steve ever discussed this? I've seen him discuss Nick the
director, but what about Nick the leading man, Nick the love interest to
Nicole?
I don't recall Steve ever having commented about this. In fact, I don't
recall seeing him even discuss Nick as a director. What interview am I
forgetting about?
> P.S. - yes, there's Steve content in the LIO screenplay publication.
He flew in and out of Sundance at mach speed accompanied by a publicist
schlepping him around at a frantic pace. I don't think he was able to
have as much fun as the other LIOites.
I doubt he was able to have as much fun as the other LiOites, but I have
been curious if anyone else thought that he was among those drinking from
the bottle that DiCillo refers to in the screenplay book. However I think
that it was cool that he was able to make it to Sundance at all
considering that it took place while he was busy filming his 5th(?) Coen
Bros. film, _Fargo_.
My favorite part of the screenplay book is when DiCillo goes into
describing the scene where Nick goes on a tirade. It just shows how
incredible Steve is as an actor.
I was just looking at all of the information that can be found on the
IMDB, and noticed that Steve is listed as having directed two commercials.
One was for Nike, the other was for the WNBA. I was wondering if anyone
has seen either of these, can tell me what the content of them are, and if
they have gotten either of these on tape. Also, if you have seen them,
what's your opinion of the work?
Speaking of the IMDB, is it me, or was _Even Cowgirls Get the Blues_
listed on his filmography at some point in time? Also, how did the
_Immortals_ (with Dermot Mulroney's brother) end up on there at some
point?
Finally, if you don't bother to read alt.fan.tarantino (you're better off
for it ;-) I found a post that was real long about Pulp Fiction. The
final statement in the post was to the effect that 'The guy who plays the
Buddy Holly waiter played Mr Blonde in Reservoir Dogs.' I immediately
posted correcting the person. Some people will never learn about who
Steve is.
Marni
Subject: Dead Man
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:56:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Marni Hager
I finally watched _Dead Man_ the other day. It's been reported that Steve
plays the bartender. I was wondering if there's been any confirmation of
this fact. One reason that I'm unclear is that he had no spoken lines,
and we all know that his voice is very distinctive (even in _Lonesome
Dove_ and _The Last Outlaw_). The other reason is that the facial hair
was *definitely* not his own. It was much too bushy for Steve. I will
say that the arms and hands did look like those of the former firefighter,
but that's not enough for me to go on. Any information on this would be
appreciated.
Btw, the bartender is only onscreen for a total of 30-60 seconds. That's
correct, a total onscreen time of up to a *1 minute*.
Marni
Subject: Re: Steve directed commercials
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:26:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rebecca L. Webb"
In message marni lynne hager writes:
> how did the _Immortals_ (with Dermot Mulroney's brother) end up on
there at some point?
I've seen IMMORTALS. My best guess is that someone was confusing it at
some point with KING OF NEW YORK. IMMORTALS features Eric Roberts as a
crime kingpin who gathers a bunch of "losers" to pull off a big score.
KONY features Christopher Walken as a crime kingpin who gathers a bunch
of "losers" to pull off (and so on and so on and so on). The films
really aren't that similar, though.
Rebecca
Subject: Re: Nick and Nicole
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 02:16:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kym Banoczi
> And, if this list were more active, I would have thrown most of it out.
However because this list is rather quiet at the moment, I will allow
posts that are related to the movies Steve's been in, even if the
content is about co-stars. (If you disagree with this policy, let's
deal with it now since we are a small group and have the time.)
I agree that we should allow these posts for the time, but also feel
that once the list gets active (and I'm sure it will) we should keep the
posts on the topic of Steve only.
> Speaking of the IMDB, is it me, or was _Even Cowgirls Get the Blues_
listed on his filmography at some point in time? Also, how did the
_Immortals_ (with Dermot Mulroney's brother) end up on there at some
point?
I have both of those movies on my filmography, as well (and both were
verified by other sources). I haven't seen The Immortals but he was
apparently in ECGTB but was cut out later. I haven't seen ECGTB in
years, so I don't remember if he was in it or not. Any clarification on
that would be helpful to me. I need to correct the filmography!
> Finally, if you don't bother to read alt.fan.tarantino (you're better
off for it ;-) I found a post that was real long about Pulp Fiction. The
final statement in the post was to the effect that 'The guy who plays
the Buddy Holly waiter played Mr Blonde in Reservoir Dogs.'
I immediately posted correcting the person. Some people will never
learn about who Steve is.
You think that's bad, I had some guy tell me that Steve was the guy in
the Got Milk? commercial (of course, it's not -- it's Sean Whalen).
Anyhow, they don't even LOOK alike.
On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Rebecca L. Webb wrote:
> I've seen IMMORTALS. My best guess is that someone was confusing it at
some point with KING OF NEW YORK. IMMORTALS features Eric Roberts as a
crime kingpin who gathers a bunch of "losers" to pull off a big score.
KONY features Christopher Walken as a crime kingpin who gathers a bunch
of "losers" to pull off (and so on and so on and so on). The films
really aren't that similar, though.
I saw _King of New York_ ages ago. There was nothing even remotely
redeeming about that movie. Not even Steve. *sigh* As for _The
Immortals_, that actually wasn't half bad. And it was neat seeing Dermot
Mulroney's brother, Kieran, for the first time. I really liked his
character. I don't know how anyone could get the movies confused. My
feeling is that people are saying: "Here's an independent movie, therefore
Steve has to be in it somewhere." Ok, maybe not. Any other theories
besides these two?
