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Do you know something I don't? :) Actually, I wouldn't mind being "locked away for good" - an interesting phrase if you think about it. After all, my very first Unityexperience was in a psych ward and the most "unconditional" people I've met have also been 'inside'. If you know what I mean. :) The two days at the conference were refreshing and re-energising. To see so many kindred spirits trying to reform mental health services in spite of overhwelming obstcles was inspiring ... more details later ... You are a devil, Hadi. :)
Actually, I wouldn't mind being "locked away for good" - an interesting phrase if you think about it. After all, my very first Unityexperience was in a psych ward and the most "unconditional" people I've met have also been 'inside'. If you know what I mean. :)
The two days at the conference were refreshing and re-energising. To see so many kindred spirits trying to reform mental health services in spite of overhwelming obstcles was inspiring ... more details later ...
You are a devil, Hadi. :)
'afternoon all......just a short peek in to let you know that I had a wonderful conversation with Cara this morning..She told me to tell you that she's been out straight....she does get a fleeting moment or two to browse through and read when she can and promises that she'll be on line again soon. We have also set yet another date to meet again...this time for sure...in September...I feel as though I have known her all my life. This forum does bring together kindred spirits..Peggy...now the question is who sang the song and made it popular in the 50's..I know that the Mills Brothers sang it....ah.....use those dendrites and start thinking!!!.... x
Peggy...now the question is who sang the song and made it popular in the 50's..I know that the Mills Brothers sang it....ah.....use those dendrites and start thinking!!!.... x
Cindy, Thornton Wilder said that it is saints and poets who fully realize the wonder of life while they are still living. If you haven't read his play OUR TOWN in a while, you might enjoy it now. Terry, everybody makes a difference! I read a short story once in which a modern man chose to go back in time to hunt dinosaurs. While he was "away," he stepped on a butterfly wing. Yet when he returned to the present, things had shifted slightly from the way they were when he left. Even the language was a tiny bit different. Okay. So it was fiction. :-) The difference that you make is not just in the people immediately surrounding you. Your legacy gets passed on to all they know and to all of their generations to come. Something you said in describing the Irish has stuck with me: "They just want to be happy." No matter what our differences are, THAT is one thing that is very basic in all of us. Dave is reading aloud the book WHO MOVED MY CHEESE? I think that you would like it and that it would be useful to you in your work with others. Phoenix, I will get even with you for making that song from the fifties ring in my mind! AAAARRRRGGGHHH! :-O (((Hadi))) Geoff, have you ever seen the movie THE KING OF HEARTS? I have a sneaking suspicion that you would identify with it as much as I do. Get the subtitled version instead of the dubbed if you can. I think it came out in the sixties or seventies and became a cult favorite. Soak up the weekend! Celebrate!
Terry, everybody makes a difference! I read a short story once in which a modern man chose to go back in time to hunt dinosaurs. While he was "away," he stepped on a butterfly wing. Yet when he returned to the present, things had shifted slightly from the way they were when he left. Even the language was a tiny bit different. Okay. So it was fiction. :-)
The difference that you make is not just in the people immediately surrounding you. Your legacy gets passed on to all they know and to all of their generations to come.
Something you said in describing the Irish has stuck with me: "They just want to be happy." No matter what our differences are, THAT is one thing that is very basic in all of us.
Dave is reading aloud the book WHO MOVED MY CHEESE? I think that you would like it and that it would be useful to you in your work with others.
Phoenix, I will get even with you for making that song from the fifties ring in my mind! AAAARRRRGGGHHH! :-O
(((Hadi)))
Geoff, have you ever seen the movie THE KING OF HEARTS? I have a sneaking suspicion that you would identify with it as much as I do. Get the subtitled version instead of the dubbed if you can. I think it came out in the sixties or seventies and became a cult favorite.
Soak up the weekend! Celebrate!
I think they locked Geoff up for good this time. ;)
'Afternoon all...just dashed in to say that after reading through some of the messages there was a constant word that popped in...and that was "deam'. I just finished reading don Miguel Ruiz "The Four Agreements". He is a Toltec Healer and has a decent message to convey...however, I liked what he has said about our lives being 'but a dream'....(Wasn't that a song from the 50's? Life is but a dream sweetheart....)The messages that we receive from our special place within, be it our God within or whatever one wishes to call it...are part of what was...the same message came through when I polished off Shirley Maclaines "Camino" about her walk in Spain and the 'dreams' and messages that came to her....the main tought was simply being aware to receive the 'dream'...we've all been here before and there so much to remember...I think Hadi said something pertaining to the 're-memberiing' of people, places and things...it just takes some time to explore the consciousness and be open enough to receive these dream messages....Geoff and Chris have mentioned dreams in their last messages..and I find the sycronicity enlightening....this must be something that I must look into a bit more deeply...There are times when on can go on a spirit walk and receive messages, accoring to MacLaine...it doesn't have to necessarily be on the Camino trail....Josie...are you writing a book? The more I read the more questions I have...yet, it somehow all boils down to the same thing...keep still, go within and the answers are all there....I found this nead quote by Rumi which says......."The day you were born, a ladder was set up to help you escape from this world". Guess this is what is meant to reach for enlightment, to find you God within and reach the bliss that we are all intended to find....x
Geoff and Chris have mentioned dreams in their last messages..and I find the sycronicity enlightening....this must be something that I must look into a bit more deeply...There are times when on can go on a spirit walk and receive messages, accoring to MacLaine...it doesn't have to necessarily be on the Camino trail....
Josie...are you writing a book? The more I read the more questions I have...yet, it somehow all boils down to the same thing...keep still, go within and the answers are all there....I found this nead quote by Rumi which says......."The day you were born, a ladder was set up to help you escape from this world". Guess this is what is meant to reach for enlightment, to find you God within and reach the bliss that we are all intended to find....x
Good observation Cindy. The "young" are going to change the world (haven't been fully programmed), and the "old" have accepted the fact they aren't (going to change the world).Namaste'
Namaste'
It sometimes seems to me that only the very young and very old fully realize the wonder of their own lives.
I am an avid reader of Rumi and very much enjoyed Deepak Chopra's 'Love Poems Of Rumi'.... I have also discovered that there is a CD of various artists reading from this book called "A Gift Of Love" - but I cannot seem to find it anywhere. Please let me know more about it. Thank you. Bob.
Hi, this is all new to me. It is the first time that I have attempted to communicate on line and I'm not too sure how to accomplish this. I recently had a tumor in one of my parathyroid glands and in the surgery to remove this, they decided to remove half of my thyroid also. It has been a tough time rebalancing. I had this condition for a long time and the high calcium level that I was showing was ignored, so that is probably why it has taken a time for me to recover. I am feeling much much better; however there are a few things that I feel are related that persist. Is there anyway to get some help with this? I have not found anyone here who can help me and I am searching for these answers now. Thank you to anyone who might have a suggestion. Can we speak to Deepak Chopra and ask some questions. Again, thank you, Delight Payseno at jodey23@hotmail.com
G'day folks, Just a quick visit, I'm off to day 2 of a Mental Health Conference tomorrow. :) Haven't listened to as many words in one day for a very long time. Will be interesting to see if any of the "ideas" get turned into "reality" as always ... Just found this gem from a talk by Jack Kornfield about mindfulness. Click on the link to read the whole discourse. It's well worth it. The first is learning to be present, which itself is a very wonderful thing, because "here" and "now" and "in the present" are the only places that we can appreciate life to begin with. Otherwise, it's kind of second-hand, what happened a few years ago—that's a nice memory—or what we fantasize about. Where can you really appreciate this life we're given? Only in the present. Also, there is something else which interests a lot of people and can only be found in the present, and that is love. If you want to love a person or you want to be loved—some of you perhaps know anyway, right? -- where does love take place? Or "when" is a better question. Again, it's a nice memory, "Gee, I was in love once or twice" -- or more in some of your cases. It was very nice. It evokes a nice thing to remember it. Or it's in the future, "Oh, if only I could meet that right wonderful person," or "this person that I live with," or "this family," or whatever, "if they would change so they would become right, then I could fall in love all over again with them or be happy with them." The only place that you can really love a person or be loved is in the present. No other possibility for it. All the rest is fantasy. Also in the present comes the possibility of touching our intuition, of creativity, of clarity; all kinds of things. So the first aspect of awareness is simply learning in some way to live more fully here in our present reality. If you learn nothing else from meditation practice than that, you get your money's worth—especially since there's no charge ... Click here to read the rest. Have a good one, as we say down here in Oz.
Just a quick visit, I'm off to day 2 of a Mental Health Conference tomorrow. :) Haven't listened to as many words in one day for a very long time. Will be interesting to see if any of the "ideas" get turned into "reality" as always ...
Just found this gem from a talk by Jack Kornfield about mindfulness. Click on the link to read the whole discourse. It's well worth it.
The first is learning to be present, which itself is a very wonderful thing, because "here" and "now" and "in the present" are the only places that we can appreciate life to begin with. Otherwise, it's kind of second-hand, what happened a few years ago—that's a nice memory—or what we fantasize about. Where can you really appreciate this life we're given? Only in the present.
Also, there is something else which interests a lot of people and can only be found in the present, and that is love. If you want to love a person or you want to be loved—some of you perhaps know anyway, right? -- where does love take place? Or "when" is a better question. Again, it's a nice memory, "Gee, I was in love once or twice" -- or more in some of your cases. It was very nice. It evokes a nice thing to remember it. Or it's in the future, "Oh, if only I could meet that right wonderful person," or "this person that I live with," or "this family," or whatever, "if they would change so they would become right, then I could fall in love all over again with them or be happy with them." The only place that you can really love a person or be loved is in the present. No other possibility for it. All the rest is fantasy.
Also in the present comes the possibility of touching our intuition, of creativity, of clarity; all kinds of things. So the first aspect of awareness is simply learning in some way to live more fully here in our present reality. If you learn nothing else from meditation practice than that, you get your money's worth—especially since there's no charge ...
Click here to read the rest.
Have a good one, as we say down here in Oz.
Terry, I knew exactly why you used "tree" instead of "branch." I was thinking "olive grove myself!
Chris, the shift from understanding to experiencing is a tremendous step. I echo Terry's "right on!" "Put down your knitting, your book and your broom -- come hear the music play..."
"Put down your knitting, your book and your broom -- come hear the music play..."
Right on Chris, that "shift" is great, and really says you've come to "understand" (at a deeper level) that our intellects aren't going to "DO" it for us.You've reached a "place" of comfortability that the physical world just "IS", and you can handle "whatever". (At least this is what I'm perceiving).Happy for you, as now you'll be able to truly "listen" to the inner voice prompting you to much greater "things", and there just aren't anymore "big deals".Namaste'
You've reached a "place" of comfortability that the physical world just "IS", and you can handle "whatever". (At least this is what I'm perceiving).
Happy for you, as now you'll be able to truly "listen" to the inner voice prompting you to much greater "things", and there just aren't anymore "big deals".
Geoff, things are certainly not as they seem or otherwise. Very nicely said, though I don’t “think” I get it, “I” DO get it. Thanks for the great links too! Thanks Peggy for the movie recommendation. I tend to avoid movies with subtitles because I can either read the subtitles or watch the movie but not both due to my dyslexia. Maybe I could rent it and watch it twice… :-) I read the link to the IROOT:NOTian link. Interesting. I can see how the “idea” of “everything is illusion” might conceivably cause some caustic conditions. To me though, it’s not an idea really. Any idea that I may have is a part of the same illusion, including the idea that it is an illusion. :-) This can’t possibly make sense when examined from an ego perspective. One can choose to believe it, or not. It really doesn’t make much difference. Ego will fight to defend it’s ideas one way or the other. Recently I’ve become less and less interested in “ideas” and more and more interested in “experiences”. I’ve found I have become less interest in “understanding” the world, and more interested in experiencing it. This is a huge deal for me coming from a scientific and engineering upbringing. It is a subtle shift in the internal dialogue from something like, “I think X, Y and Z and I need to defend these thoughts because I am defined by these them.” to “Simply experiencing X, Y and Z. Period. No need to defend them or even processes them intellectually unless I choose to.” The difference is quite striking. Enjoy the day everyone!
Thanks Peggy for the movie recommendation. I tend to avoid movies with subtitles because I can either read the subtitles or watch the movie but not both due to my dyslexia. Maybe I could rent it and watch it twice… :-)
I read the link to the IROOT:NOTian link. Interesting. I can see how the “idea” of “everything is illusion” might conceivably cause some caustic conditions. To me though, it’s not an idea really. Any idea that I may have is a part of the same illusion, including the idea that it is an illusion. :-) This can’t possibly make sense when examined from an ego perspective. One can choose to believe it, or not. It really doesn’t make much difference. Ego will fight to defend it’s ideas one way or the other.
Recently I’ve become less and less interested in “ideas” and more and more interested in “experiences”. I’ve found I have become less interest in “understanding” the world, and more interested in experiencing it. This is a huge deal for me coming from a scientific and engineering upbringing. It is a subtle shift in the internal dialogue from something like, “I think X, Y and Z and I need to defend these thoughts because I am defined by these them.” to “Simply experiencing X, Y and Z. Period. No need to defend them or even processes them intellectually unless I choose to.” The difference is quite striking.
Enjoy the day everyone!
Right on Pegasus!As you know it used to be an "olive branch", but at the time, I thought a "tree" was more representative.
As you know it used to be an "olive branch", but at the time, I thought a "tree" was more representative.
Geoff, I love the Zen proverb! Ravi, the "olive tree" that Terry said that he loved is a traditional metaphor for peace. For those of you who like films that are thought-provoking, may I recommend OPEN YOUR EYES. It deals with the question of reality vs. dreams. It has subtitles, but they are very non-intrusive and worth the effort. Chris, I thought of you when I saw it.
Ravi, the "olive tree" that Terry said that he loved is a traditional metaphor for peace.
For those of you who like films that are thought-provoking, may I recommend OPEN YOUR EYES. It deals with the question of reality vs. dreams. It has subtitles, but they are very non-intrusive and worth the effort. Chris, I thought of you when I saw it.
Ravi, I don't necessarily disagree with your ideas. But you have misquoted me: "Peggy also referred to it. 'If we are all enlightened then what follows?'" You are answering a question that I did not ask and no one else asked it either -- at least not in the last two months. I'm not certain what you are referring to. And I'm not at all certain why you refer to emotional, mentaland spiritual as verbs. They are adjectives. Finally, you and I do not agree on what Hadi said. I wish you well but you have left me puzzled. Peace, merriment, and light...
"Peggy also referred to it. 'If we are all enlightened then what follows?'"
You are answering a question that I did not ask and no one else asked it either -- at least not in the last two months. I'm not certain what you are referring to.
And I'm not at all certain why you refer to emotional, mentaland spiritual as verbs. They are adjectives.
Finally, you and I do not agree on what Hadi said.
I wish you well but you have left me puzzled.
Peace, merriment, and light...
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I have a dear departed friend who was also a Mystic and teacher. He has written wonderful books that tell us much the same things that Depak Chopra is saying. If anyone is interested, please go see some samples of his work at www.williamsamuel.com. It is a nice complement to the light that Deepak is sharing. Thanks, Sandy Jones
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'Things are not as they seem, nor are they otherwise' - Zen proverb
I've been thinking a bit about what is holding us back from the experience of unconditional love. Deepak talks a lot about labels in Way of the Wizard. Most of the time we're not seeing and experiencing 'reality'. We're seeing and experiencing and reacting to the labels we've attached to reality and the belief system we've constructed based on those labels. You can only see someone as a 'stranger' and treat them as a 'stranger' once you have labeled them as a 'stranger' and learned to think of them as a 'stranger'. The same applies to any label under the sun - you name it - weirdo - loser - loony - lefty - miserable sod - psychotic - boring - twit - normal - crazy - friend - enemy ... There are some excellent meditations where you systematically 'peel away' all the labels you have attached to yourself and to others. Peel enough of them away and you may arrive at the 'place' referred to in this definition of Namaste - "I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides. I honor the place in you, where lies your love, your light, your truth and your beauty. I honor the place in you where...if you are in that place in you...and I am in that place in me....then there is only one of us." Trouble is, we tend to spend a heck of a lot of our time 'away' from that place. :) Ravi, you could say that poem was 17 years in the making. It was originally much darker than what it is now.
There are some excellent meditations where you systematically 'peel away' all the labels you have attached to yourself and to others. Peel enough of them away and you may arrive at the 'place' referred to in this definition of Namaste - "I honor the place in you where the entire universe resides. I honor the place in you, where lies your love, your light, your truth and your beauty. I honor the place in you where...if you are in that place in you...and I am in that place in me....then there is only one of us."
Trouble is, we tend to spend a heck of a lot of our time 'away' from that place. :)
Ravi, you could say that poem was 17 years in the making. It was originally much darker than what it is now.
Wonderful to see the response to that excerpt from Emissary of Light. It's the sort of book if you had given it to me just two years ago I would have laughed at. I would have said something like, "Oh, this guy has got to be kidding if he expects people to believe that story!" Here's a further excerpt in which James wonders if indeed anyone will believe him. I can relate to his feelings. I've had many experiences where I have thought I'm not going to tell anyone about that, they'll think I have flipped. And in a sense I have. :) "But they will think I'm crazy." "The world is crazy," she said. "Since when has the world been so wise? You'll be telling them that they are made of love. Simple. You'll say that heaven is real and that they can experience it right now. They don't have to die or experience a hundred more lifetimes. This is what everyone is dying to hear. They've just been waiting for someone to say it with certainty. And that's what you'll do. Of course, some people will think you're crazy. But others will understand. Those are the people you're being sent to, I'm sure."
Here's a further excerpt in which James wonders if indeed anyone will believe him. I can relate to his feelings. I've had many experiences where I have thought I'm not going to tell anyone about that, they'll think I have flipped. And in a sense I have. :)
"But they will think I'm crazy."
"The world is crazy," she said. "Since when has the world been so wise? You'll be telling them that they are made of love. Simple. You'll say that heaven is real and that they can experience it right now. They don't have to die or experience a hundred more lifetimes. This is what everyone is dying to hear. They've just been waiting for someone to say it with certainty. And that's what you'll do. Of course, some people will think you're crazy. But others will understand. Those are the people you're being sent to, I'm sure."
Hi all, Geoff, I spent time reading and rereading the material you referred me to. Your poem is so real and pertinent from many angles. How long were you at it? My humble offering: The books and posts all seem to be saying that 'love' exists in three forms: A doable thing (Hadi said it was a verb)(mental) An emotion to bond with an object/person (Emotional) A state of bliss (spiritual) Pretty much the 3 Verbs. The bliss you experienced after James Twyman's lesson probably belongs to the 'state' kind. Such experiences are mostly ephemeral. Second time around the episode will be shorter and less intense. How do we enter the state for long periods and hopefully, permanently?(What Buddha achieved) Peggy also referred to it. "If we are all enlightened then what follows?" Peggy, then it's Utopia - freedom from suffering. I have postulated that there exists a subtle 'mechanism', (I call it "The Cantilever Effect") which takes one from the 'emotion' to the 'bliss state'. This can be realized and the technique can be easily learnt. It's 'The Cantilever Effect' in operation during deep prayer for some and meditative-listening of instrumantal music for others. The magic of the 'Cantilever Effect' is that the 'bliss state' can be repeatedly entered by following the same practice and the duration and the enjoyment of 'love state' increases with each episode. Try it for you have been there and you'll know what I'm saying (unknowingly we enter this state during sleep for short bursts). I offer this in all earnestness and sincerity. Namaste'
Geoff,
I spent time reading and rereading the material you referred me to.
Your poem is so real and pertinent from many angles. How long were you at it?
My humble offering:
The books and posts all seem to be saying that 'love' exists in three forms:
A doable thing (Hadi said it was a verb)(mental)
An emotion to bond with an object/person (Emotional)
A state of bliss (spiritual)
Pretty much the 3 Verbs.
The bliss you experienced after James Twyman's lesson probably belongs to the 'state' kind.
Such experiences are mostly ephemeral. Second time around the episode will be shorter and less intense.
How do we enter the state for long periods and hopefully, permanently?(What Buddha achieved) Peggy also referred to it. "If we are all enlightened then what follows?" Peggy, then it's Utopia - freedom from suffering.
I have postulated that there exists a subtle 'mechanism', (I call it "The Cantilever Effect") which takes one from the 'emotion' to the 'bliss state'. This can be realized and the technique can be easily learnt.
It's 'The Cantilever Effect' in operation during deep prayer for some and meditative-listening of instrumantal music for others.
The magic of the 'Cantilever Effect' is that the 'bliss state' can be repeatedly entered by following the same practice and the duration and the enjoyment of 'love state' increases with each episode.
Try it for you have been there and you'll know what I'm saying (unknowingly we enter this state during sleep for short bursts).
I offer this in all earnestness and sincerity. Namaste'
Maybe we are all dreaming. One day, the universe itself will "wake up," and we will find ourselves in a state of unimaginable bliss. In the meantime, we are "down here," doing whatever we think is best. The "illusion" of pain, loss, and fear still hurts. Mystics have advised that by meditating you can transcend much of the suffering. Let us assume that you transcended all of it. Would that mean the material world is an illusion, or just how you perceive and relate to it? - from "Reality & Illusion" Funny thing is that nobody ever says "this is all just a dream" when they're feeling fabulous! :)
- from "Reality & Illusion"
Funny thing is that nobody ever says "this is all just a dream" when they're feeling fabulous! :)
Halya, Mezzie, The relationship between a loving parent and a child is the ideal of unconditional love. A loving parent forgives stealing, cheating and even murder. A loving parent finds his/her child the most beautiful creation, and sees no ugliness. A loving parent believs that his/her child is the most wonderful creature on earth, divine and a source of eternal bliss. Not all parents love their children unconditionally. And most people do not love everyone in this world unconditionally. But, the ideal exists - it is real. It is possible!
Guess I kinda just re-stated what mazzie said. (great minds---ha)
The Dalai Lama suggested that we greet everyone as if we've known them before (as a "method"). Also, a very arrogant/egotistical young man was told by his teacher to go down to Hollywood & Vine, or 7th or 8th St in downtown LA, find someone that he "looked down on", and follow them around until he "saw" them differently. To find something "good" about them. As I understand it, he had to do this for 6 months.Today he is a close friend of Dalai Lama and involved in seeking the freedom of Tibet from Communist rule.For me it's more of an "attitude" I'd say. Kinda like Father Flanagan's "There are no bad boys", only it includes everyone.It's also a willingness and openness to "help" where possible and warranted.
Also, a very arrogant/egotistical young man was told by his teacher to go down to Hollywood & Vine, or 7th or 8th St in downtown LA, find someone that he "looked down on", and follow them around until he "saw" them differently. To find something "good" about them. As I understand it, he had to do this for 6 months.
Today he is a close friend of Dalai Lama and involved in seeking the freedom of Tibet from Communist rule.
For me it's more of an "attitude" I'd say. Kinda like Father Flanagan's "There are no bad boys", only it includes everyone.
It's also a willingness and openness to "help" where possible and warranted.
HALYA - about loving everyone unconditionally, I think that if we actually did love everyone unconditionally, we -robably wouldnt have a need to be here at all!!....However, in an endeavour to attain this, I -ersonally believe that EVERYONE has some amount of 'good', for want of a better word, in them. This may sometimes take some digging to find at times but if we can concentrate on finding even a little of the divine in all, we all benefit from it.......Just my -ersonal o-inion anyhow....MAZZIE
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