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In a well-known phrase, the Buddha said, "Hatred can never cease by hatred. Hatred can only cease by love. This is an eternal law." We can begin to transcend the cycle of aversion when we can stop seeing ourselves personally as agents of revenge. Ultimately, all beings are the owners of their own karma. If someone has caused us harm, they will suffer. If we have caused harm, we will suffer. As the Buddha said in the Dhammapada: We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make the world. Speak or act with an impure mind And trouble will follow you As the wheel follows the ox that draws the cart... Speak or act with a pure mind And happiness will follow you As your shadow, unshakable. Happiness and unhappiness depend on our actions. Sharon Salzberg, Lovingkindness From Buddhist quote of the moment Thanks to everyone for sharing your interpretations of the pirate. Personally, I only posted it on a momentary whim. It was actually a graphic for a 'search engine'. Have a good one.
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make the world. Speak or act with an impure mind And trouble will follow you As the wheel follows the ox that draws the cart... Speak or act with a pure mind And happiness will follow you As your shadow, unshakable. Happiness and unhappiness depend on our actions.
Sharon Salzberg, Lovingkindness
From Buddhist quote of the moment
Thanks to everyone for sharing your interpretations of the pirate. Personally, I only posted it on a momentary whim. It was actually a graphic for a 'search engine'.
Have a good one.
Hello to all I have been in working the whole long weekend here in BC so have had a few minutes to drop in now and again (I have no home computer). Hadi re seeing the energy - Have you checked out Kirlian photography? I am not sure if I spelled that right. Sharon
I liked your comments about AA. Sort of like chemotherapy where the treatment at times seems worse than the disease. Nice to see you pull through man. I once heard Neale Donald Walsch take unction with the first step in the 12-step program saying/admitting that "my life is out of my control" and in step 2 surrenduring to God. I'm a bit torn on that myself. Are we not all products of the choices we make ? What say you about your experiences there ?
I once heard Neale Donald Walsch take unction with the first step in the 12-step program saying/admitting that "my life is out of my control" and in step 2 surrenduring to God. I'm a bit torn on that myself. Are we not all products of the choices we make ? What say you about your experiences there ?
Insane that is until he decides to take off his military uniform and stay in the village with those from the asylum now running the village. He realizes that the really insane people are the ones doing the fighting......
Pegs, the name of the movie is "The King of Hearts". Danny Kaye plays the lead with one of the better singing solliloquies of silliness ever filmed as he tries to make sense in the village where nobody makes sense, "if a vessel with a pessel, etc.." He is named the king of hearts by the "insane" people in the village. It was turned into a wonderful Broadway play in the early 1980's with the entire village rebuilt as an incredible three-story set by Santo Loquisto. Alas, it only played three months before closing, but what memories... of both the movie and the musical. We need more risk takers in the theatre !
It was turned into a wonderful Broadway play in the early 1980's with the entire village rebuilt as an incredible three-story set by Santo Loquisto. Alas, it only played three months before closing, but what memories... of both the movie and the musical. We need more risk takers in the theatre !
I bow.............Namaste'
Basic stuff, but by doing that "process", it goes a long way in "clearing" the channel between our conscious mind and "IT"--------that place of peace that passes ALL understanding.
I also think of something someone said long ago when asked "How do we pray"?Part of His answer was "Our Father................ ...and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive others."
Part of His answer was
A major part of the AA Program is "cleaning up the wreckage of the past", and this involves an in depth review of one's past actions and resentments. I've often wondered if Deepak's "Wisdom Within" CD was based on that "process". With some guidance (sponsor), nine legal pages of "crap" (and I write small) turned out to be "I" was an asshole------a REAL type A.A major tenant of the Program is being honest (brutally honest) with ones-"self" (again, "conditioned consciousness"--ego) and "I" was shown how my selfishness and selfcenteredness was the "truth" of "me".None of the "baggage" I was carrying around was anyone else's responsibility but mine.It takes effort to "dig" all that crap out, and "own it".Whenever I'm working with anyone and they start judging or condemning anyone else, I just remind them to "own your shit". (it gets their attention)It is by "owning our own shit" they we gain an understanding of our-selves, but it goes a long way in us being able to forgive others for perceived slights. From our own reconciliation with the "Universe" (God) and the "Grace" received, we begin to understand all of humanity .Much like coming to understand that our parents did the best they could based on their understanding, means, and knowledge.
With some guidance (sponsor), nine legal pages of "crap" (and I write small) turned out to be "I" was an asshole------a REAL type A.
A major tenant of the Program is being honest (brutally honest) with ones-"self" (again, "conditioned consciousness"--ego) and "I" was shown how my selfishness and selfcenteredness was the "truth" of "me".
None of the "baggage" I was carrying around was anyone else's responsibility but mine.
It takes effort to "dig" all that crap out, and "own it".
Whenever I'm working with anyone and they start judging or condemning anyone else, I just remind them to "own your shit". (it gets their attention)
It is by "owning our own shit" they we gain an understanding of our-selves, but it goes a long way in us being able to forgive others for perceived slights. From our own reconciliation with the "Universe" (God) and the "Grace" received, we begin to understand all of humanity .
Much like coming to understand that our parents did the best they could based on their understanding, means, and knowledge.
Your graphic Geoff reminded me of a joke about how 3 guys go to Heaven and each gets assigned a room based on his life on earth. (something like that). Anyway, one gets assigned a room full of shit. (my language is a little more coarse than Hadi's) Sometime later St. Peter looks in on him to see how he's doing, and he's in there whistling and humming, digging like crazy, moving the crap around. St. Peter asks him why he's so happy, and he replies, "Well, with all this shit in here, there must be a pony in here somewhere".I too took it to mean digging the "crap" out of memory bank (subconscious), as the discussion had been going on about forgiveness.ONLY the ego (conditioned "conciousness") needs to forgive.
Anyway, one gets assigned a room full of shit. (my language is a little more coarse than Hadi's)
Sometime later St. Peter looks in on him to see how he's doing, and he's in there whistling and humming, digging like crazy, moving the crap around.
St. Peter asks him why he's so happy, and he replies, "Well, with all this shit in here, there must be a pony in here somewhere".
I too took it to mean digging the "crap" out of memory bank (subconscious), as the discussion had been going on about forgiveness.
ONLY the ego (conditioned "conciousness") needs to forgive.
What a beautiful morning it is in southern New England...dry, and clear....great day so spend at the beach..unfortunately, I'm at the shop...Geoff...the "Digger" is quite a guy!!! He appears to be a pirate by the way he's dressed..the way I saw it as I did a few moments of meditation; being that he is a pirate, he signifies one who has stolen from someone, buried the loot, and is frantically trying to recover what he has hidden. The question being, will he find it? He may be digging in the wrong place. One can look at hinmself and see all that he has taken from someone or himself, and has to 'dig deep within' to retrieve what 'once lost and now is found'...just an observation.Got to dash for now...take care x
Geoff...the "Digger" is quite a guy!!! He appears to be a pirate by the way he's dressed..the way I saw it as I did a few moments of meditation; being that he is a pirate, he signifies one who has stolen from someone, buried the loot, and is frantically trying to recover what he has hidden. The question being, will he find it? He may be digging in the wrong place. One can look at hinmself and see all that he has taken from someone or himself, and has to 'dig deep within' to retrieve what 'once lost and now is found'...just an observation.
Got to dash for now...take care x
Note: 'isappears' is not some obscure terminology. Simply add a 'd' to the front of the word.
G'day Hadi Actually, the way I look at that graphic, the man is digging into 'nothing' and tossing it over his shoulder where it also isappears into 'nothing'. Yet, he seems quite 'happy' doing what he's doing. :) Maybe he's digging for 'treasure', as he seems dressed as a pirate. Overall, a lot of activity for no 'result'. I use it as a meditation aid. :)
Actually, the way I look at that graphic, the man is digging into 'nothing' and tossing it over his shoulder where it also isappears into 'nothing'. Yet, he seems quite 'happy' doing what he's doing. :)
Maybe he's digging for 'treasure', as he seems dressed as a pirate. Overall, a lot of activity for no 'result'. I use it as a meditation aid. :)
I'm curious to know whether anyone here has seen energy fields?
Hi Kereyra! Hope you had a nice vacation.
Hello Geoff. Another great graphic! Shovelling sh_t or digging the dirt? Peggy, maybe if I get some time later I'll go into it more, but put simplistically, one who limits him/herself through fear, obligation etc., admires the one who appears to be a "free spirit". The follower admires the leader. Yet, the flip side is that the follower also resents a leader's popularity, coveting it, or the one who is tied to his desk can label the same free spirit as irresponsible, or unreliable, because he prides himself on his own reliability and his sense of responsibility. The very things which limit him/her. Did that make sense? I agree about your "below the surface" comments, I just thought the iceberg was a poor analogy. Firstly it is "ice" which is cold and indifferent, and secondly the seven tenths under the surface is simply more of the same. I think human beings are infinitely more interesting, colorful, creative, diverse and individual than that, above and below the surface. But you know me, I'm a champion of "individuation".
Peggy, maybe if I get some time later I'll go into it more, but put simplistically, one who limits him/herself through fear, obligation etc., admires the one who appears to be a "free spirit". The follower admires the leader. Yet, the flip side is that the follower also resents a leader's popularity, coveting it, or the one who is tied to his desk can label the same free spirit as irresponsible, or unreliable, because he prides himself on his own reliability and his sense of responsibility. The very things which limit him/her.
Did that make sense?
I agree about your "below the surface" comments, I just thought the iceberg was a poor analogy. Firstly it is "ice" which is cold and indifferent, and secondly the seven tenths under the surface is simply more of the same. I think human beings are infinitely more interesting, colorful, creative, diverse and individual than that, above and below the surface. But you know me, I'm a champion of "individuation".
Hadi, maybe you are right about the iceberg analogy. But I do think that it's important to look beneath the surface when we can. We may see not only what that person is hiding from us, but also what she may be hiding from herself. (Or he/himself) That may require breaking the surface tension first. ;-) Hope you are well and happy...regards to Grace...
That may require breaking the surface tension first. ;-)
Hope you are well and happy...regards to Grace...
Chris, funny you should ask... As you know, I've had a problem with nightmares about my teaching situation -- even though I retired almost eleven years ago. A couple of nights ago, I dreamed that I was teaching students how to compare adjectives. I wrote on the blackboard: give -- gave -- given forgive -- forgave -- forgiven forget -- forgot -- forgotten I certainly recognized that message from my subconscious! In my dream, I thought about the importance of giving forgiveness as opposed to receiving it. I must confess though that I still don't believe that forgetting is required before you can forgive. Instead, I believe that when you do remember, you don't allow yourself to dwell on it.
As you know, I've had a problem with nightmares about my teaching situation -- even though I retired almost eleven years ago. A couple of nights ago, I dreamed that I was teaching students how to compare adjectives. I wrote on the blackboard:
give -- gave -- given forgive -- forgave -- forgiven forget -- forgot -- forgotten
I certainly recognized that message from my subconscious! In my dream, I thought about the importance of giving forgiveness as opposed to receiving it.
I must confess though that I still don't believe that forgetting is required before you can forgive. Instead, I believe that when you do remember, you don't allow yourself to dwell on it.
Hadi, I've been celebrating the Queen Mum's birthday today! When I think of her, I remember most her courage in staying in London during the war. I don't think I had thought about the flip side of what we see in others -- the admiration of things that we deny for ourselves. Are you saying that we admire the very traits that we think we don't have?
I don't think I had thought about the flip side of what we see in others -- the admiration of things that we deny for ourselves. Are you saying that we admire the very traits that we think we don't have?
"Circumstances and people are only agents for the delivery of a message." Ahhh Soooo...
Ahhh Soooo...
A human being is like an iceberg? In some cases, I guess. I mean, with some you don't need to look below the surface to know what's there, right? We judge in others what we most deny about ourselve. We admire in others what we most deny for ourselves.
In some cases, I guess. I mean, with some you don't need to look below the surface to know what's there, right?
We judge in others what we most deny about ourselve. We admire in others what we most deny for ourselves.
I look forward to each new word from Deepak. I am a longtime follower. I hope to see him in Atlanta this fall.
Great quote Geoff. It is truly amazing how powerful that realization is. When we can actually stop for a moment and examine the RE-actions we all do 99.9% of the time and realize that we ultimately do have the power to choose otherwise. It's tough to do, but with practice it gets easier. We don't have to be a slave to our past; we don't have to react with the same patterns. In each moment we have the power to change. I think probably the most powerful means of change is by forgiveness. When we forgive we free ourselves from our history and can choose a more authentic and loving future. I'd love to hear from people about their experiences / thoughts about forgiveness.
I think probably the most powerful means of change is by forgiveness. When we forgive we free ourselves from our history and can choose a more authentic and loving future.
I'd love to hear from people about their experiences / thoughts about forgiveness.
"Within the body there are billions of different particles. Similarly, there are many different thoughts and a variety of states of mind. It is wise to take a close look into the world of your mind and to make the distinction between beneficial and harmful states of mind. Once you can recognise the value of good states of mind, you can increase or foster them." - The Dalai Lama's Book of Wisdom
- The Dalai Lama's Book of Wisdom
((((Sharon)))) thanks for the update. you and Frank have been missed, here! love to you both! by the way, i still listen to the wonderful tapes (Myss) you sent to me, thanks!Hi Phoenix, i'm glad you liked the quote from Deepak, i thought it was wonderful, too. those simple messages coming from everywhere, seems like existence is trying to tell us something, heh? ;) hey, Ravi! my trip to Tn was great. what a beautiful place! and meeting Mary Anne, my online friend in Ooltewah, Tn was the highlight, of my trip. her mountain retreat (bed & breakfast) is blossoming into a Onederful reality. i was happy to get in on the ground floor so i can follow her progress. thanks for asking dear friend.... many wonderful changes going on in my life now and some sad ones, too, but it is always great to come here and see everyOne and read the wonderful words that are written here and also to catch up on who is checking in. Namasté Friends!
Hi Phoenix, i'm glad you liked the quote from Deepak, i thought it was wonderful, too. those simple messages coming from everywhere, seems like existence is trying to tell us something, heh? ;)
hey, Ravi! my trip to Tn was great. what a beautiful place! and meeting Mary Anne, my online friend in Ooltewah, Tn was the highlight, of my trip. her mountain retreat (bed & breakfast) is blossoming into a Onederful reality. i was happy to get in on the ground floor so i can follow her progress. thanks for asking dear friend....
many wonderful changes going on in my life now and some sad ones, too, but it is always great to come here and see everyOne and read the wonderful words that are written here and also to catch up on who is checking in. Namasté Friends!
Hi there just a quick hello to all you old friends. I was in Calgary about a month or so ago and had dinner with Frank and some of his Sufi friends. I had a great time. I only have time lately to drop in now and again to see how things are going here. Glad they did not shut it down after all. Love to you all - SHaron
Ravi, since the post had my name on it, I thought that you were speaking to me. I can understand that you might feel that what you said ("The person or thing who you think is doing you harm or obstructing your path is not doing it) is universal. But I'm not so certain that that is true on a practical level. One of the participants at Fall Creek told me that you said that I was not to be trusted. Just wondered if you really said it and, if you did, in what sense you felt you couldn't trust me. Pax...
One of the participants at Fall Creek told me that you said that I was not to be trusted. Just wondered if you really said it and, if you did, in what sense you felt you couldn't trust me.
Pax...
Hello all, Peggy, The 'quotes' in my last post were not directed at anyone. They are universal. How on earth could you get that idea three years ago? That was a strange coming together, the AUGUST meeting where we were all strangers to each other, trying to feel and discover our way around. Anyway, It's cleared up and om shanti, shanti, shanti
Peggy,
The 'quotes' in my last post were not directed at anyone. They are universal.
How on earth could you get that idea three years ago? That was a strange coming together, the AUGUST meeting where we were all strangers to each other, trying to feel and discover our way around.
Anyway, It's cleared up and om shanti, shanti, shanti
J'étais très surpris de lire des livres sur "Deepak Chopra ". Il touche tellement à la vérité. Dans ces paroles beaucoup de chose ce sont éclairé. Merci Deepak Chopra
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