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Don't believe I'll make a judgment call on quality vs. quantity, Dave, although it's obvious we're less verbose than we used to be. However, those "glory days" remain in my mind more as bear-baiting time than the type of discussions we've had in the last half of 2000. It was entertaining as hell, though, if you didn't take it personally (I did, sometimes) and if you had enough Maalox and tranqs in the medicine cabinet.

I'll bet a graph of topics would look like the bell curve used for grades. ;-)

wow! that is interesting, Dave. thanks again.

hi Chris, i posted to you, earlier, from reading yesterday, about your "perfect" post to Pilar. just read Peggy's post to her and agree it is "perfect", too!

Please understand that my selection of these particular sets of numbers has not been for the purpose of advocating posting for its own sake. It has been to show that whatever concern there may be for hogging space or posting too often is misplaced by comparison with the way things have been in the past. If anything, the number of posts over the past year or longer has been along the same lines as the earliest days of this forum.

If you want to see how the "glory days" were in terms of content and involvement, I suggest going back to any spot in 1997 and having a look.

Thus far, nothing much has been said about length of posts, nor even content of posts. In the days before IP numbers were put into effect, there was much more pranking about by anonymous visitors, and there was much more in the way of bickering and name calling. So those "glory days" can be seen as a two-edged sword, lots of posts; not a lot of real content.

That's a generalization, and I don't like to label an entire period as being frivolous, but if somebody has the patience to check out (after first defining) the "quality" of the posts instead of just the "quantity," I suspect we'd have a totally different picture of things.

Any takers?

For another glance at some stats from the Index, here are the highs and lows of the length of time it has taken to post 500 posts. Those that happened in less than a week:

End Date___Post#___#Posts__#Days___Posts/Day

01-Apr-97 10500 500 4 125.0
14-Sep-97 20500 500 4 125.0
16-May-97 13000 500 5 100.0
07-Jun-97 14500 500 5 100.0
10-Nov-98 39500 500 5 100.0
15-Nov-98 40000 500 5 100.0
20-Mar-97 9500 500 6 83.3
22-May-97 13500 500 6 83.3
14-Jul-97 17000 500 6 83.3
06-Oct-97 22000 500 6 83.3
16-Aug-98 35500 500 6 83.3

Those that have taken a month or longer:

10-Feb-99 41500 500 30 16.7
15-Apr-00 51500 500 33 15.2
05-Feb-00 50000 500 34 14.7
17-Mar-99 42000 500 35 14.3
22-Jul-99 45000 500 35 14.3
19-Sep-00 53500 500 35 14.3
11-Jan-99 41000 500 42 11.9
15-Aug-00 53000 500 46 10.9
28-Aug-96 1000 500 48 10.4
30-Jun-00 52500 500 64 7.8
11-Jul-96 500 500 135 3.7

The average number of days to get 500 posts up has been 14.5 days, just a tad over two weeks. The average for year 2000 has been 26.5 days, and the fastest we have done it this year has been the 10 days leading up to 55,500 on Nov/27/2000.

I just read my email. I was confussed about Pilar's post. It makes more sense now. :-)

Peggy perfect advice for Pilar! Perfect advice for anyone going through something like that. Thank you so much for sharing that part of yourself here. Maybe I'll start warring a dime too… :-)

Pilar I got a little confused reading your post. I take it that the man you are involved with is named "Chris" too? I believe that the only relationship that we need to heal in this world is the relationship with ourselves. From there all other relationships are formed and from healing that, all other relationships are healed.

Peace and light!

Hi Bob! where you been?

Pat, thanks and i am truly happy to be one that has observed your healing. love and peace to you, dearOne! :)

The fourth kind of meditation is dedicated to development of extraordinary capacities in the service of other people and the world at large. Practitioners of this type of meditation may use any or all of the methods and techniques characteristic of the first three kinds of meditation, but with a different orientation, in a different manner, and in a broader context. The range and scope of meditational states and experiences in this fourth category, furthermore exceed those of the lower types of meditation by many orders of magnitude.

Minding Mind
Translated by
Thomas Cleary

Hi Kitty!! :) thanks for the cake! yummy!!

and Dave, thanks for sharing and the stats. big help in searching the archives.

Dear Chris, you're words to Pilar were "perfect"!

Hi Geoff!! loved your picture this am and enjoyed re-reading from Quantum Healing! especially this line:

The whole story is contained in the difference
between active and silent intelligence.

Thank you all for your comments support. Peggy, yes I'm on meds, and I'm really trying to wath my thoughts and my routine. I'm trying to get back to a church group of some sort, for I'm sleeping at 7pm! I sleep to escape all of this pain and hopelessness, and I'm isolated. SO, there is something really wrong going on. Furthermore, praying and praying for healing. Yesterday, as I expressed to Chris, and I thank him for his wonderful support, I cried over 'him' for the last time and blocked my phone so that I never hear from him again. It's time to really examine how I keep creating the same scenario over and over again, attracting unavailable men who devastate me. Yes the key is to honor thyself and to love thyself. But that still is not keeping me from being 'burned' in special relationships, for they are NOT spiritual relationships by any means. They are lascivious and unhealthy from day 1. The lesson, as I told Chris, is to really listen to the other person and accept them fully for who they are...not continue creating fictitious characters of who they are not. But out of my desperation to be loved, my expectations are grossly unrealistic. Lastly, and finally, what does it mean when teachers say "that person is you." You are only talking about YOU!!!! And all things are one, there is no separation....Hence, thanks for allowing me to be a part of this board, yet I still have alot of healing to do. Still extremely hopeless about what I'm going to continue to attract.....or be attracted to. Thank you!

Chris and Cathy, I'm sorry that I bristled so at the quote about the "present" the other day. I over-reacted. I just have a personal bug-a-boo about language and how it is used to sway people. The quotation was harmless.

Please, please, don't anyone feel inhibited about grammar around me! And certainly, not spelling! Ha!!! That is usually the last thing on my mind when I read a post.

Carol, now that you are letting your own feelings, beliefs and concerns surface here, you say things just fine!

Dick Skep, DaveR and I read your links on ACIM. I see a lot of the philosophy crop up here and it all sounds so fluffy to me.

Unfortunately, some of the links were written with too much bias coming from another direction. It is certainly hard to know how to walk that narrow ridge between believing everything that comes down the pike and in believing nothing.

Things that I personally would be a little wary of:

1. "Things are as they should be." I think that is true only if all of us are doing what we "should" do!

2. "Everyone is perfect." Nyah!!! I'm just "okay" and that's sufficient.

3. "Suffering isn't real." Bullshit.

4. "Rid yourself of previous mental constructs." That sounds a lot like cult-tactics to me.

5. "I am God." No you're not. I know God. God is my friend. And believe me, you're no God. Well, that's just my opinion and not directed at anybody in particular although I've probably managed to offend half of the people here.

Geoff, I hope that you are feeling a little better.

Brad, glad to see you back here! I was afraid that you had given up on us!

Peace, merriment and light...

Pilar, the advice that I see coming to you most frequently from various forum participants is to learn to love yourself and to live in the moment.

I have been so much in your shoes!!! I can identify with everything you have said -- even to leaving a message in his car. I have been there and at about the same age that you are. So believe me, I take your pain seriously.

When I was in my teens, I thought that life would essentially be over for me if I weren't married by the age of twenty-three. I spent most of my twenty-fifth birthday crying because I thought that I was too old and nothing exciting was going to happen to me.

Since then life has thrown so many surprises and twists and turns at me that for a while I started wearing a dime around my neck to symbolize the truth that life can turn on a dime!

In my thirties I had the romance of a lifetime -- a fairytale if there ever was one and even in a place "far, far away." But it gets better.

In my forties I found the man that is my truest, surest mate in life. With him, all pretenses are set aside.

Now I am in my fifties and I have the totally unexpected joy of grandmotherhood. I did not have children of my own -- so this has been an incredible twist for me! All of this is to say that your options are not running out as you might think. You are coming into your own! Here are a few suggestions on encouraging yourself in new directions:

1. Make the kind of committment to yourself that you wish to make to the right man someday. Several years ago I "married myself." I planned a wedding day, wrote vows to myself about self-respect, took those vows all by myself in a lovely natural setting. I even gave myself a beautiful compass as a wedding present. Take whatever promises that you make to yourself as seriously as you would take vows to another. Renew your vows from time to time, if you need to.

2. Learn to let go of the future. Living "on the edge" can be nerve-wracking but it is where all of the excitement is. Each day is sufficient. All you have to do is to resolve to live fully for the next twenty-four hours. Treat each day as pure potential. Fill it with lovely things. When you go to sleep at night, let your last thoughts be of the things you are grateful for -- snow days, new pajamas, the chance to grow -- whatever.

3. Tears and sadness don't mean that you are a weak person. You are much stronger than you even know. Some of the behaviors that you describe are a little compulsive. Don't be hard on yourself about it -- and if I am wrong, then just understand that I may be identifying with you too closely.

You may be having problems with clinical depression. There is no way for me to know that and I am not a mental health professional. If your eating habits and sleeping habits have changed recently and if you have feelings of hopelessness and confusion that last more than two weeks, then talk with your physician. Very often people who are depressed don't know that they are depressed. They just think their lives are rotten. If you are depressed it is very often a matter of brain chemistry and new medications can make a real difference! At any rate, it is certainly not your fault.

4. Do some things that you are afraid to do. Feel the fear and do it anyway. It could be something big like changing jobs or moving or bumming around Europe for a couple of months. Or it can be something little like volunteering or planning a weekend for yourself in a state park.

You will live through this and you will love again. And you won't just survive, you will prevail.

Hey Kitty! thanks for the cake! Great to "see" you here again… :-)

Dave thanks for all the cool stats! So 1997 was the most active year here. Sounds about right. :-)

Thanks Lennie :-)

Geoff I just love that picture! I looks almost like my backyard! I live in Tucson Arizona, home to a million saguaro cactus.

Thanks for the links Dick. I'm not married to "A Course in Miracles", so I doubt you'll find a button of mine to push by your posts. I actually enjoyed your humor. :-) Negative experiences with Christianity? Hummm. I'm sure I have some (who doesn't?). I used to like to argue with the Jehovah Witnesses, and Jerry Fallwell (sp?) used to get my feathers ruffled back in high school. I wasn't raised Christian, so I don't have any of the classic "Catholic school" issues. Actually the Christian verbiage of The Course makes it tough for me to read. The Christ, Holy Ghost and God of the Course aren't the same as the traditional Christian perspective. It gets confusing. From my studies so far, The Course is a lot like Hinduism and a lot like Christian Science. It's no secret here that I like dabbling in the belief that it's all illusion. I'm not married to that belief either. I'm actually trying to keep from being married to ANY belief. It's the skeptic in my, I hope you understand. :-)

Do I believe that The Course in Miracles was really channeled? No, not really. No more than other inspired books or ideas.

Do I believe everything that is in The Course in Miracles? No, actually it is very tough reading and I find most of it a little "out there" even for me. Little of it can be read literally (or so I'm told) as it is more of an exercise to help you think outside of the ego framework than a treatise on Truth. If you're looking for "Truth" look elsewhere (like within perhaps).

I can see how traditional Christians would take offense at The Course. It claims things about Christ, The Holy Ghost and God that aren't generally accepted. It uses Christian verbage to tell a very "New Age" or more accurately "Eastern" message. Most of your links seem to come from that perspective so it is hard for me to relate to their objections since I'm not from a Christian background. It wouldn't be the first book I would recommend to someone who's checking "this" stuff out. Chopra, Wayne Dyer and even Krisnamurti (sp?) and Ram Dass (sp?) are much better and easier to understand. It also doesn't claim to be the only path to higher understanding and in my 1 year worth of exposure to the book I would claim that it is perhaps one of the more difficult paths. It is an interesting one however.

Don't mind sharing at all, Kitty. The glow from those candles ought to be good for roasting some marshmallows or weiners, too. Or to replace any burnt out lighthouses.

Thanks for the cake!

     
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And, Happy Birthday to everyone else I've missed over the last few months that I've been kind of scarce here. Sorry I didn't make them all. Hope there's enough cake for everyone. Dave, you'll share, won't you?

From the data in the Index, here are some statistics you might consider:

Year Total Posts

1996_________ 5,596
1997________ 19,723
1998________ 15,567
1999_________ 8,584
2000_________ 6,272
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Thru Nov/2000 55,742

The most active months have been:

Month/Year__ Avg Posts/Day

Mar/97_______ 70.5
Jun/97________ 69.0
Sep/97_______ 67.1
Mar/98_______ 65.5

By comparison, the biggest months of 2000:

Nov/00_______ 37.1
Oct/00________ 32.6

Not counting the early months of 1996 and the month of May/2000 (forum was down most of the month), the lightest months have been:

Aug/00________ 9.5
Jun/00________ 9.6
Dec/98_______ 12.3
Jul/00________ 12.6

A Course in Miracles: “Christian” – Glossed Hinduism For The Masses
A Course in Brainwashing
Another New Age Fraud: A Course in Miracles Denies All
A Course in Miracles Profile
Quotes from A Course in Miracles

"Glossed Hinduism"....man I think that hits the nail on the head there, yep. It's not a bit surprising how people with negative Christian experiences (strict religious parents, debates with "Christian fundamentalists", unanswered prayers, too many Linda Blair movies, etc.) could be attracted to the niche market filled by ACIM, Chopra and New Age B.S. in general. Tell us about your negative experiences with Christianity Chris. I'll bet you have some.

My body doesn't exist.
Sin is unreal.
Sickness and suffering are illusions.
Hell is not real.
I am perfect.
I am God.

Damn! Who WOULDN'T like to have a set of beliefs like that! Anytime there's a problem, I just try to convince myself that it (and everything else) is not real! Sign me up! Where's the Kool-Aid? Just because a set of beliefs gives us a warm fuzzy feeling it doesn't make them valid.

comments on your Quantum healing excerpt...

To solve the mystery of the gap, we need to consult the ones who have been there; if they have found a real world, then there will be new Einsteins to follow, and they will be Einsteins of consciousness.

They have been consulted. I mean just look how many times Chopra says, "studies have shown". But alas, no "Einsteins" of conciousness have followed. Only Chopras of babble.

From a certain perspective, the whole idea that we are outcroppings from an invisible, infinite field seems ridiculous.

Agreed!

Feliz Cumpleanos, Dave!! Many happy returns of the day!!

Make a wish (and then manifest it ;-))

Cathy

Done! Here is my birthday present to you all. Thanks for all the greetings. A copy of this is being sent to Kitty so that she can update the version on the Forum Friends page.

Meanwhile, you could copy/paste this into your own text file for whatever purposes you might want it.

FORUM ARCHIVES INDEX

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Geoff the picture is awesome I used to live in Phoenix ,Arizona that scene looks very familiar

Happy Birthday Dave! Just checking in before I leave work for home. Carol and Chris beautiful words for Pilar! Pilar dont just read the words ,like Chris said feel them,take them in real deep into your soul. Love is a funny thing ,like where you are right now you cannot see the forest for the trees!

I learned a little poem early in life and I truly believe in its simplicity.{If you love something set it free if it returns to you, it is yours if it doesn't it never was}Please reread what Chris said it was very special.

I'm back (in more ways than one). Just in case anyone was perturbed or worried by my last post, possibly none of you took any notice of it and that's okay :) ... not that anyone here is likely to indulge in worry. After all, in CWG, God declares that 'worry is the activity of a mind that does not understand its connection with Me'.

Anyway, I had a couple of 'crazy days' - I mean crazier than what is 'normal' for me. Funny thing is, after a brief taste of that I generally feel amazing for some considerable time afterward. Mkaes me wonder what the **** is going on but at least it's never dull. :)

Haven't had a chance to catch up with all the latest posts, which I may do after I post this. I notice Chris says he has enjoyed my 'skewed' perspective. You do realise, Chris, that even the use of the word 'skewed' is realitive. :) As I used to say to my psychiatrist when I was really 'out of it', who's to say that what I'm experiencing isn't reality and what you normal folk are experiencing is the delusion. Is reality a consensus experience? Is reality whatever the majority of minds think it is? From the results of the US elections, it seems there's no real consensus on anything at this point in humane history.

There I go, meandering again, just typing the first (idiotic) thing that pops into my head. It's a good thing I'm practicing non-attachment or I'd really be worried. :)

I've been enjoying reading more of Quantum healing. Here's a slice that really spoke to me - especially after the experiences of the past couple of years:

Normal reality is like a spell - a very necessary one, since we must live by habits, routines, and codes that we take for granted. The problem arises when you can make the spell but not break it. If you could dive, this very minute, below your everyaday reality to its source, you would certainly have a remarkable experience. The psychologist Abraham Maslow, who was a pioneer in studying the positive aspects of the human personality, gave a clasic description of the experience of the deep self: "These moments were of pure, positive happiness, when all doubts, all fears, all inhibitions, all tensions, all weaknesses, were left behind. Now self-consciousness was lost. All separateness and distance from the world disappeared ... "

Although such experiences are rare - Maslow termed them "peak experiences" for that reason - they have a curative power that goes far beyond their breif duration, which may be a few days, or just a few hours. Maslow records that two of his patients, one a long-term depressive who had often considered suicide, the other a person who suffered from severe anxiety attacks, were both immediately and permanently cured after spontaneously falling into such experiences (for each it happened only once).

Maslow also talks about the reconciliation with life that people have realised through these moments: "They felt one with the world, fused with it, really belonging to it instead of being outside looking in. (One subject said, for instance, 'I felt like a member of a family, not like an orphan.')"

Any sudden revelation of a deeper reality carries enormous power with it - one taste alone can make life undeniably worthwhile. Maslow's patients recognised this inner power as something quite outside the ordinary. It is not energy or strength, genius or insight, but it underlies all of these. It is life power in its purest form. Maslow's understanding stopped short at the critical moment - he was never able actually to give anyone a peak experience - yet he was fascinated by these events that transcend normal life. In 1961, after several decades of writing and thinking about the subject, he concluded that it was indeed normal life and not the mystical that he had been observing:

"The little that I had ever read about mystic experiences tied them with religion, with visions of the supernatural. And, like most scientists, I had sniffed at them in disbelief and considered it nonsense, maybe hallucinations, maybe hysteria - almost surely pathological. But the people telling me about these experiences were not such people - they were the healthiest people!"

Because he detected these experiences in fewer than 1 percent of the population, Maslow viewed them as accidents or as moments of grace. I beleive that they were glimpses into a field that underlies everyone's life, but which has remained elusive. The implication is that we should dive very deep if we want to transcend normal reality. We are in search of an experience that will reshape the world.

Finding the silent gap that flashes in between our thoughts seems relatively easy, but because it flashes by, a tiny gap is not a doorway. The quantun body is not separate from us - it is us - yet we are not experiencing it right now. Sitting here, we are thinking, reading, talking, breathing, digesting, and so on, all of which happens above the line.

...

The whole story is contained in the difference between active and silent intelligence. We have confirmed that this difference is very real. DNA can be active or silent; our thoughts can be expressed or stored away in drawers of silnce; we can be awake or asleep. All these changes require a trip across the gap; but not a conscious journey. To see what sleep is like, you would have to stay awake, which is impossible. If you want to see the difference between active and dormant DNA, you cannot find it in any chemical bond, since the two DNAs are physically identical. And so on and on for all the transformations of mind and body.

The same difficulty holds true in physics - a photon is a form of light, as is a light wave, but both arose from a hidden field. On the surface of reality, we see either photons or light waves, but the reason why both can exist in one reality is that they pre-exist as mere possibilities in the quantum field. Who has ever photographed a possibility? Yet, that is all the quantum world is made of. If you say a word or make a molecule, you have chosen to act. A little wave laps up from the ocean's surface, becoming an incident in the space-time world. The whole ocean remains behind, a vast, silent reservoir of possibilities, of waves that have yet to be born.

As they dance around on the paper, the iron filings might look at one another and say, "Well, this is life, let's look at its mysteries." Deciding to do that, they can begin a thought-adventure of the kind we call science. No matter how adventurous their thougths become, they will never cross the gap. The gap is a one-way door, as far as thinking goes, and that is its true mystery.

From a certain perspective, the whole idea that we are outcroppings from an invisible, infinite field seems ridiculous. A man's body is a packet of flesh and bones occupying a few cubic metres of space; his mind is an amazingly intricate but finite mechanism filled with a set number of conceptions; his society is a grossly imperfect organisation bound to a history of ignorance and conflict.

These obvious facts has never settled the issue, starngely enough. We trust our finite, everyday experiences, which are good enough for driving a car, earning a living, and going to the beach, but they are not quite convincing enough compared to the overwhelming experience of the infinite. That expereince, repeated throughout the centuries, causes some people to suspect that reality is very different, and far vaster, than what the mind, body and society generally accept.

Einstein himself experienced this reality. He has testified to moments when "one feels free from one's identification with human limitation":

"At such moments, one imagines that one satnds on some spot of a small planet gazing in amazement at the cold and yet profoundly moving beuty of the eternal, the unfathomable. Life and death flow into one, and there is neither evolution nor destiny, only Being."

Although this sounds like a spiritual insight (and Einstein considered himself deeply spiritual), it is really a glimpse into a level of our own consciousness that can be mapped and explored. Without having any control over their awareness or any cogent explanation for what is happening, people sense that the state of rapt silence is not simply emptiness. The great traditions of wisdom have largely been founded by one or a few individuals who realised the universe through themselves. To solve the mystery of the gap, we need to consult the ones who have been there; if they have found a real world, then there will be new Einsteins to follow, and they will be Einsteins of consciousness.

Have fun everyone.

Here's a little birthday present from me to all of you. On my way to updating the Forum Archives Index with the headers for the messages involved, I thought I would share the dates for the 500 and 1000 milestones since the July/1999 list that's on the Forum Friends page.

Post#---Date

45500 Aug/10/1999
46000 Sep/1/1999
46500 Sep/15/1999
47000 Sep/26/1999
47500 Oct/14/1999
48000 Oct/31/1999
48500 Nov/20/1999
49000 Dec/15/1999
49500 Jan/2/2000
50000 Feb/5/2000
50500 Feb/16/2000
51000 Mar/13/2000
51500 Apr/15/2000
52000 Apr/27/2000
52500 Jun/30/2000
53000 Aug/15/2000
53500 Sep/19/2000
54000 Oct/14/2000
54500 Oct/28/2000
55000 Nov/12/2000
55500 Nov/22/2000

There's a gap in the posts between May/8/2000 and May/24/2000 due to the forum being inaccessible during that period.

Happy Re-Birthday Dave

Carol and Chris - very wise words for Pilar. And it sure doesn't hurt to hear them again to confirm many of the things I've learned in the past few years. Truly, it wasn't until I took care of myself and really focused on healing ME that I found someone (quite 'accidentally'). But it took a long time for me to realize that I first must love and heal myself.

Dave - yes! I remember Jean Luc Ponty...and ...in the mountains! Wow. Does time fly!

Pilar my heart goes out to you. I think I understand the pain you're experiencing as I've been there myself. You have an awesome opportunity to learn more about life and yourself in this moment than probably any other time in your life. I know these are just words but please try to hear the message. The feeling of love you have for this man you created. Something about this person sparked your awareness of love, but this love has existed inside of you all along, and will continue to do so long after the person who sparked it is gone. Your rose Pilar can not be burned. It is timeless, unborn and will never die. What you feel burning isn't love but attachment. Love is always powerful and strong, attachment is vulnerable and weak. The light at the end of this tunnel is real love, and the way you get to it is by forgiveness. Forgive yourself and forgive this man. You don't need to know how, just be open to doing it and the Universe/God will respond.

Please feel free to email me (cvedeler@ix.netcom.com) if you would like to chat.

Terry (and anyone interested), to navigate the archives in the most effective way, I suggest working with the URL (Address) slot in your browser. If it doesn't say http://www.randomhouse.com/features/chopra/forums.cgi?page=1&messages_per_page=30 at this particular moment, when you click on one of the little numbers below Refresh Page, it will.

By clicking in that slot you can overkey the "page=1" part with the page number you want, and the "messages_per_page=30" part with however many messages you want to see on one page. Just overkey the numbers in each of those places.

As an example -- yours -- fix the URL to read http://www.randomhouse.com/features/chopra/forums.cgi?page=1836&messages_per_page=30

Just be sure the number you divided by as Messages_Per_Page gets plugged in to the place for that number. You said 30 so that's what I used.

Let me know if that doesn't work right.

For me, in my opinion of course, the Universe didn't necessarily have me for MY purposes.

Thanks so much for the greetings, everyone!

Terry, I was three days old when Pearl Harbor was attacked. My mother turned 33 on that day. So I guess Spring of 1942 was my first one.

Pat, the date I have in my notes for your first post is Jul/30/98 and I think I may have welcomed you here shortly thereafter. Remember Jean-Luc Ponty? Remember "Pat in the Mountains"?

Chris, you're very close with the "busy intellect" thing for me, and I agree that the ideas and topics we have discussed have been fun. The astronomy connection is the biggest overlap of ours, I think. However, although I don't seem to get to that place as well through meditation as I do in just walking in the woods or sitting on the porch and "letting go" of things, I have found those moments you describe. I'm just not as big on the ritual part of meditation as some may be.

Carol, the words you had for Pilar are so well said that I can only say "Right on!"

My latest question reminded me of when I first started posting, and what you all have taught me ..................ask!

I also have learned how much I don't know, but I do know some things. Sometimes I just understand......... that I don't understand.

Now.........now that I have the amenities out of the way Dave, let's get back to work.

I take the 850, subtract it from the current post number, divide by 30 let's say, and now what???? (besides sticking it some where)

I know you wouldn't say that. Just being my usual smart ass self.

I am serious about the question though.

GREAT words Carol for Pilar.

When I accepted I was an a__h___, it all became soooooooooo simple.(L)

OK...........who's supplying the cake????

NAMASTE'

Your "light" has been showing for how many springs Dave?

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Happy Birthday Dave!!!

Took me a while to catch up, but I think I recall when I first appeared. July, 1998? Not sure what day. I may have lurked for a week or two. There's been so much activity, I can't really recall a time/subject/conversation that comes to mind. It's all been interesting.

Crown/Harmony Books

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