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From: "Andrew D. Gable"
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:07:49 -0400
First off, a preface. This probably doesn't mean anything, but when I first read "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" back in eighth grade, my first mental image of the Deep Ones was something along the lines of a Shoggoth.
>I'd just like to say that this is an incredibly cool idea - Deep Ones
as
>recon drones. See also "Where Yidhra Walks" by Walter C.
DeBill
>(DISCIPLES OF CTHULHU)
Based on what I know of Yidhra (sketchy, to say the least), she seems to me like an Uber-Shoggoth. The female analogue to Ubbo-Sathla.
>An earlier draft of "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" had humans
>devolving into Deep Ones as a sort of atavism, similar to ghouls.
Thank goodness for Graeme's sake HPL didn't write that - otherwise, we'd be having a discussion on the Deep One Prion, and Graeme'd have to set us all straight. =)
>I definitely like the common ancestry idea - what if the importance,
>such as it is, of humanity to the Mythos is our genetic malleability.
>"Say, doesn't that Byakhee look an awful lot like Uncle Bill?" The
>existence
of proto-shoggoths plays into your scenario nicely as well.
Geez, great minds think alike. I always saw parallels with Shoggoths and protomatter, Proto-shoggoths and Protomatter Spawn. I came up with an idea that the creation of protomatter and protomatter implants is an attempt by the Fun Guys to create their version of Shoggoths.
The Mi-go obviously have some control over "independent" protomatter (witness Operation CONVERGENCE), so here's the devious plot I've come up with: the Mi-go are endeavoring, first of all, to create a stable form of protomatter. After they figure out how to get it stable, they'll modify it slightly, injecting some DNA of their choosing. Then, at a specified time, the protomatter'll launch an assault on the person's genetic make-up, putting in its own stuff. Thing is, what would the Mi-go want to turn us into?
It seems to me this plot could also be exploited by the Brothers of the Yellow Sign.
From: Davide Mana
Andrew wrote something that started me thinking along a new line. All this is crazy and highly apocryphal, and there are much more questions than answers, I fear, but humor me for a while.
>The Mi-go obviously have some control over "independent"
protomatter
>(witness Operation CONVERGENCE), so here's the devious
plot I've come
up
>with: the Mi-go are endeavoring, first of all, to create a stable
form of
>protomatter. After they figure out how to get it stable, they'll
modify
it
>slightly, injecting some DNA of their choosing.
Q: can you "seed" protomatter with DNA?
Protomatter, being... well, _proto-_ stuff, it should be rather low as far as internal organization goes.
Now, what if you can simply inject it with the apropriate DNA in order to induce the required organization? And then, after that, the inseminated protomatter goes on replicating in its newly informed way?
DNA is a wonderful expert system - it can follow the program, and yet update it (and itself) to take variations in the environment into account. DNA as software for protomatter machines?
All those Ultra-Darwinian egoist-gene theories that are generally frowned upon by palaeontologists and see all life as just some special effects helping DNA to replicate itself might hold a much more sinister truth than we think.
A handful of palaeontologists are interned every year as they snap under pressure (the families think they are somewhere on sabbathical) trying to understand the complex link/feedback between environmental pressure, evolution and genetics.
If somebody simply designed DNA as a tool with in-built evolutionary capabilities, everything's suddenly very very simple.
Now, how's that for a basic overview of minimum Elder Thing technology? Were they a race of genetic engeneers so advanced they simply created a DNA for the tool they needed and then used it to infect protomatter as needed? We know precious little about that, but we know they used shoggots, that are probably just a step above protomatter. Shoggots could be the minimum organization form - sort of the Elder Thing swiss army knife tool. The kind of thing you'd carry with you to camping.
On the other hand, when we say Protomatter, we think Mi-Go - because of their dealings with MJ-12 and all the rest.
We know they're smart.
And devious.
And we know they can create synthetic beings.
Q: do the MiGo have access to Elder Thing technology? Complete, no holds barred access to ET technology?
Now what if the Funguys do not have _complete_ control over the process?
You have to admit those funny-looking, five-fold simmetrical critters were pretty advanced, back then long time ago. And from the data in "At The Mountains of Madness", it seems the Elder Things were closer to us, as far as psychological makeup and general outlook on things, than the Funguys will ever be.
We shared "something" (curiosity? will to live? soul?) So what if the Mi-Go are so active and enquiring where humans are concerned because they have access to the end results of the ET technology, as a form of scavenger technology, but not possess the base know-how to duplicate it. Maybe they hope to find something within us...
Project Genome: does DNA carry an attached help-file?
Think about all this, gentlemen.
And flame me gently.
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:32:28 EDT
<< I came up with an idea that the creation of protomatter and protomatter implants is an attempt by the Fun Guys to create their version of Shoggoths. >>
Or reverse-engineering shoggotech.
We might not be the only reason the Fun Guys stick around a dangerous neighborhood.
From: Svend Andersen
Haven't had a chance to reply in a prompt and useful manner, but what the heck. :)
Firstly, does this discussion of shoggoth probes et al. remind anyone else of a certain marionette-based scifi show?
"This is the voice of the Shoggoth..." <cue moving circles of light> ;)
Actually, seeing as the thing that Spectrum was fighting all the time was the Mysteron's automatic defence system, and shoggoth seem to be the Elder Thing's equivalent of Silly Putty/whatever, I guess the parallel isn't too far...
Er - anyway, to answer a question posed ages ago that was never, AFAIK, answered: bumblebee flight is in the realms of human modelling, after all.
:)
To give some context to the explanation, it should be understood that for a long time it wasn't clear how *most* insects stayed aloft; their wing surface appeared to be too small for their weight. IIRC (the explanation being my recollection of an article on a popular-science show from several years ago), examination of the air-flow around their wings in flight showed that the they 'shape' the air beyond their physical wings, giving them greater effective wingspan by inducing eddies in the air. They had cool pictures using a moth and smoke.
Well, it looked convincing at the time. :)
From: Robert Thomas
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 10:48:42 GMT0BST
Davide wrote and caused the lights in my head to start flashing (either that or it's this hangover):
> Q: do the MiGo have access to Elder Thing technology?
> Complete,
no holds barred access to ET technology?
> Now what if the Funguys do not have _complete_ control over the
process?
> You have to admit those funny-looking, five-fold simmetrical
critters
were
> pretty advanced, back then long time ago. And from the data
in "At
The
> Mountains of Madness", it seems the Elder Things were closer
to us,
as far
> as psychological makeup and general outlook on things, than
the Funguys
> will ever be.
> We shared "something" (curiosity?
will to live? soul?)
> So what if the Mi-Go are so active and enquiring
where humans are
concerned
> because they have access to the end results of the ET
technology,
as a form
> of scavenger technology, but not possess the base know-how
to duplicate
it.
> Maybe they hope to find something within us...
> Project
Genome: does DNA carry an attached help-file?
May be this is the explanation for their interest in understanding in the mental processes of humans. Given the Mi-Go metal process as outlined in DG they think in staright lines; A-B-C-D-E, and if they don't know C they can't get to E whereas us monkey boys can skip straight on to E via our metal setup.
Right then my point if you accept that the Elder things had a similar metal process to humans and you accept the hypothesis that any truely "open" system is capable of these leaps in logic. Perhaps the Mi-Go are so desperate to understand human metal process in order for them to be incorporated into the Mi-Go mind to allow them to begin to understand how the elder Thing tech they have acquired functions, to make the logically inferred leaps and allow the Mi-Go to become an open system which is what they have lost as a result of the way they have decided to evolve themselves as a species.
To create an analogy it's like a caveman given a torch, he can press the buttons and turn it on and off but has no method to understand how it works so when the light he depends on breaks he can't fix it.
Personally I can't see the elder Things including help files with DNA any way and if they did how much help would they be? Anyone ever tried to use the windows help files, better to just mess around in my opinion at least you learn something :-)
How about a situation where the Mi-Go are dependant on one specific Elder Thing device which is starting to go wrong? Are they doing what they are doing to fix the equivalent of a torch?
Anyway great thread so far, one for the cave I feel.
(And it's here indeed! The Editor)
From: Peter Devlin
Firstly, Davide wrote:
>All those Ultra-Darwinian egoist-gene theories that are generally
>frowned upon by palaeontologists and see all life as just some special
>effects helping DNA to replicate itself might hold a much more sinister
>truth than we think.
Having done a fair bit of reading on this topic I think there is merit in arguing that Deep Ones require SOMETHING from human DNA that is missing from their own DNA.
Point 1: Does immortality equate to infertility? If not, why aren't there millions of Deep Ones? Theorise that when two immortal Deep Ones mate there is no living result, validating the need for a human partner to guarantee offspring. Why? A regressive gene from the Deep One DNA which causes mutation and death in pureblood offspring. This gene doesn't appear or remains inactive in hybrid offspring, or only appears in a small percentage of offspring causing hideous although not necessarily fatal mutations (those horrible twisted forms in Innsmouth). Post-change the gene will be passed on again unless...
Point 2: What about extraterrestrial Deep One origins? I recall, perhaps erroneously, a passage in HPL that describes the Deep Ones having come down from the stars with the spawn of Cthulhu. Can anyone say certain that this the case? If they are alien then how come they only interbreed with humans (and dolphins if I again remember correctly) instead of anything suitable. Let us presume that they are alien, they have a parasitic DNA structure that can 'infect' different hosts, perhaps someone else can rationalise that part. How did they breed previous to coming to Earth? Perhaps Deep One DNA was contaminated in some way by earthly radiation / exposure to the GOO / virus of the Elder Gods. The latter is intriguing. Theorise that when the GOO were imprisoned the Elder Gods cursed many of their servitors with infertility, hence the importance of Shubby and interbreeding to many Mythos creatures.
Point 3: What about terrestrial Deep One origins? They have to be related to the animals / human / shoggoth family in that case. If they are from the same stock as us this perhaps explains the interbreeding features. The same interbreeding would also apply to ghouls (and sand dwellers?) who share origins with humans. In this case a single Deep One (or other) ancestor could leave a serious genetic timebomb in all offspring, and there may be hundreds of thousands of humans with tainted DNA. All it may take to start transformation would be exposure to the magical emanations and radiations of Mythos artefacts, the aura of Mythos beings etc. Any of this sound familiar? Basically the Mythos races such as Deep Ones could then use humanity as genetic breeding stock and have us ethnically and genetically cleansed at the same time!
Point 4: What did the ETs bring to the mix? If you go with point 3 above then the ETs have unwittingly given the GOO a massive source of worshippers. If you go with point 2 then they have unwittingly given the alien Deep Ones a shot for survival. I guess it depends on the campaign.
Fact - humans and shoggoths are ET byproducts from the same malleable source. Shoggoths are capable of altering their structure at will but can they grow reproductive organs? Lack of population explosion says not, Ramsay Campbell's story 'The Faces at Pine Dunes' says possibly (and presupposes that shoggoths can masquerade successfully as humans - wasn't there another story from 'Cthulhu 2000' that featured human-seeming shoggoths?). Perhaps the classic method of reproduction by fission could be used to explain infrequent shoggoth reproduction. A Deep One / shoggoth hybrid would indeed be a monster, useless for preserving the continuity of the Deep One race. Wouldn't shoggoths make excellent allies for Deep Ones, who would learn a lot about ET genetic technology by studying those shoggoths, perhaps discovering that those recently-upright hairy apes would make excellent cuckoo-nests for hybrid offspring?
Point 5: What about Deep One technology? No fire, no wheel, no lever, no arch. Suggestions? Coral-based (amoeba-based) living computers acting as information stores (Deep One environmental activists?). Telepathic and sonar communication. Shoggoth-offshoots as labourers for construction of cities. Undersea mines for metals and chemicals. Religious art developed to a peak. Science based around fluids and organics.
On a more prosaic note, it is possible to rationalise Mythos creatures a little too much. Enemies are alien because their motives are not understood rather than because their faces are unfamiliar. Would PCs even recognise Deep One technology if they saw it? Probably not.
Enough for now. I'll be keen to see the next digest.
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:46:27 -0400 (EDT)
Re: Similarity of humans and Elder Things.
How about this for style.. humans ARE Elder Things?
Perhaps Elder Things wanted a fresh start, or saw a need to change the style of their race... or... well, I'll leave further musings to others.
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:36:33 +0200
From: Davide Mana
Will came dangerously close to the Truth when he wrote
>Re: Similarity of humans and Elder Things.
>How about this for
style.. humans ARE Elder Things?
>Perhaps Elder Things wanted a fresh
start, or saw a need to change
the style
>of their race... or... well, I'll leave further musings
to others.
I generally assume that we are at least the moral inheritors of the Elder Things.
As already said, they seem to be incredibly close to us as far as mental processes and emotional activity are concerned.
The unpleasantness described in "At the Mountains of Madness" (we dissect one of them, they dissect one of us and kill the rest in a fit of rage and frustration) looks more like the kind of border incident that happens when intelligent races meet that the basic, deliberate and malicious attack the other Mythos critters usually reserve for us.
And their reaction makes sense from a human point of view, as do their historical basrelief make sense to the eye of a human observer.
So, like it or not, we are walking in their footsteps.
And maybe they designed things to go this way.
I'll put more theories and wild guesses about Elder things in a following post.
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:23:58 GMT
Anyone else think that Shoggoths are possibly responsible for the legends of the Giant Skuttle in the Bahamas?
For those not in the know, the Skuttle is supposed to be a massive amorphous creature that enhabits the caves below the islands and is lethal to anyone who goes in there. If so what is going on in "those fertile caves of mystery"?
And finally, what of those massive blobs of goo that get washed up on the shores of Tasmania, what is that all about eh?
The mind boggles.
From: "Andrew D. Gable"
> For those not in the know, the Skuttle is supposed to be a
massive
> amorphous creature that enhabits the caves below the islands
and
is
> lethal to anyone who goes in there. If so what is going on in
"those
> fertile caves of mystery"?
It's thought among cryptozoologists that the "skuttle" or "lucsa" (also called He of the Hairy Hands) is a large octopus, and therefore maybe responsible for a certain event in St. Augustine, Florida in 1896...although a Shoggoth's a cooler idea.
> And finally, what of those massive blobs of goo that get washed up
on
> the shores of Tasmania, what is that all about eh?
Whale blubber, that's what the skeptics say. But I don't believe it, nosirree...
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 20:05:16 GMT
> It's thought among cryptozoologists that the "skuttle" or
"lucsa"
> ...although a Shoggoth's a cooler idea.
WEll yes I know the Lusca is a large octopus type thing. But I like the idea of the shoggoth so much I decided to ignore that bit...
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 02:30:01 EDT
<< So, like it or not, we are walking in their footsteps. And maybe they designed things to go this way. >>
If we are only walking in their footsteps because we chose the same path, that's good enough for me. I swear, those leathery five-sided frond wavers are about the closest thing to a friend we're going to find in a CoC universe. The fact that we can understand their art and their angles don't bite our faces off is a good sign.
And if the enemy of my enemy is my ally, then short of getting kissy-face with them, we're already on the same side in some important relationships. Too bad they are all dead.
(wait for it)
(now)
OR ARE THEY??!!??
?
DUNdunduuuuuum
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:24:44 -0400 (EDT)
For what it's worth, part of my Endtime stuff includes technology and aid from the Elder Race. Notably, weapons designed to affect beings which are vulnerable to the Elder Sign.
It's not a HUGE load of help, but it's there...
Even if the Elder Race helps, though, remember that even at the height of their civilization, their wars with the other races were generally stalemates.
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:06:16 -0400
A bunch of people have commented on Shoggoths as the force behind stories of the Bahamian skuttle and Tasmanian "globsters." Here's some more of my $0.02.
In the wonderfully strange world of cryptozoology, there's all manner of critters that could be Shoggoths or extremely obese Deep Ones, especially in northern Europe.
- the Beast of Stronsa (Scotland, 1808) and the Zuiyo Maru carcass (New Zealand, 1977). Sure, probably rotted basking sharks. But maybe Shoggoths or something.
- the Scottish beithir, at least one 1850s sighting. It described a quite hideous flabby critter. BLATANT PLUG: this sighting's recounted on my site, check out the article on beithir.
- a bunch of Norwegian sea monsters. The Kraken, maybe, and some other critter (can't recall the name off-hand, I'll check) that was basically a blob of fat that sometimes consumed itself.
Do these "northern Shoggoths" have some sort of relationship with the similarly-formless gods of Hyperborea--Tsathoggua, Abhoth, Ubbo-Sathla himself, and all the rest?
Interesting sidenote: Thule was placed on old maps in the area of Scandinavia, probably Thule was actually Greenland or Iceland. Now: I once heard that the Icelanders' genes are pretty much the same now as they were Way Back When. Maybe Iceland is the last vestiges of Hyperborea (outside of a few Greenland Eskimos, that is)?
Maybe Bjork is a direct descendant of Satampra Zeiros. =)
From: Mark McFadden
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 16:17:35 EDT
Just a quick thought.
Bioelectrical signals are nowhere near as fast as electronic circuitry.
Which used to be cited as a reason for some dinosaurs having a second "brain." Not my field, I'm probably way out of date.
But the observation is still valid. Bioelectrical pulses do not travel through a nerve as fast as an electrical circuit with the same function. A huge shoggoth would have a hell of a time trying to stay current with what's going on throughout it's mass. It might have to decentralize processing to get things done. The various processing nodes would grow in complexity (and autonomy) depending on how active they are required to be. A single shoggoth could turn into a de facto hive mind. A DO city mind could be a satellite node of a larger shoggoth deeper down. Maybe shoggoths went deep to take advantage of cold and pressure to change their electrical properties. Or maybe to have a central processing area to collate reports from the field.
Can a shoggoth have it's own civil war?
From: Davide Mana
Cheers.
Mark "The Brain" McFadden once again baited me when he wrote
> Bioelectrical signals are nowhere near as fast as electronic
circuitry.
>Which used to be cited as a reason for some dinosaurs having
a second
>"brain." Not my field, I'm probably way out of date.
OK, here we go...
The idea dates back to the early days of dinosaur hunting, thanks to some observations made by good old professor Marsh on stegosaurus remains, back in 1878.
What Marsh actually observed was an enlargement of the spinal cord that's not unusual in big animals (elephants have something like that, IIRC, if not as large as the Stego's thing).
From there on, the two-brainer theory took off. Sorry to play the spoilsport, but the enlargement has nothing to do with the speed of nervous impulses: simply animals with large hind-quarters have a lot of nervous fibres that need to connect with the spinal cord, and therefore much more connecting surface is needed to accomodate them all. The high number of interwined neurons make the ganglium bulge. No data processing down there.
[incidentally, to update your dino knowledge, the best source is
. Robert Bakker - The Dinosaur Heresies - Penguin Books (ISBN 0-14-010055-5).
Great book, lots of interesting stuff and a great description of what palaeontology should really be about. Crichton ripped off entire paragraphs]
> But the observation is still valid. Bioelectrical pulses do not
travel
>through a nerve as fast as an electrical circuit with the same
function.
A
>huge shoggoth would have a hell of a time trying to stay current
with
what's
>going on throughout it's mass. It might have to decentralize
processing
to
>get things done. The various processing nodes would grow in complexity
(and
>autonomy) depending on how active they are required to be. A
single
shoggoth
>could turn into a de facto hive mind.
More likely, it would be like a local area network (please, programmers don't flame me, I'm just a natural scientist), with different processors dedicated to different tasks.
Could be a good way to optimize the primitive nervous system the shoggots must have.
As for the speed of neural transmission and all the rest, I guess that a traditional nervous system is pretty useless to a protoplasmatic blob of goo - stir the stuff once and the nervous system goes bananas. So what if the nervous ganglia floating in the shoggoth's body are linked through microwaves or other remorte forms of transmission, and only in those cases in which a stable nervous network is really needed does the critter extrude one?
The signal would not be as clear and focused as a direct nervous linkage, but it could work.
It would still be a matter of moving electrical charges, but it would reduce greatly the extension of the "wires", making the plastic body of the shoggoth totally malleablle.
And the rearranging of ganglia at different distances and in different places inside the shoggoth's body could help redefining the brain functions to adapt to the task.
Modular brain, anybody?
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:40:22 +0200
Only a simply (yet not completly related to the original post) idea that came to me looking at the post..
The elder things came from other planet...but is not said in any site that there are not more of then wandering on the space...
What if the original few Elder Things were only an Outpost , or better , a tool to make the planet more habitable for the second wave?
Yes..I'm re-reading the Ender's game trilogy again (is hard to find the fourth book) , and the ungluing virus seems me a bit familiar
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:36:21 EDT
<< And the rearranging of ganglia at different distances and in
different places inside the shoggoth's body could help redefining the brain
functions to adapt to the task.
Modular brain, anybody? >>
Got one right here. Left and right hemispheres have specialized functions and only communicate through the corpus callosum. Both hemispheres are flexible enough to retrain themselves to take over the others functions if necessary.
The literature is full of examples of people with a severed corpus callosum who seem functionally unbothered by the damage. The only indications are things like an inability to verbally express what only the left eye (right hemisphere) sees.
The fun in that is the stuff of another thread. But the one detail I loved is the way the verbal left hemisphere (assuming right-handed subject) will spontaneously generate explanations for what it can't see. They showed graphic pictures of spectacularly nude men to a woman's left eye. She blushed (the right hemisphere knew what was going on), so they asked her what she saw. The verbal left hemisphere, out of the loop, replies, "Oh, it's just a silly picture." Note the primate reflex to produce an answer in spite of a lack of information. But anyone who's worked in a big organization knows about that, if only subconsciously.
So am I disappointed that dinos didn't have brains in their butts? Not really. There's cooler stuff close at hand.
From: Ward Phil
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:40:43 +0100
There was an article recently in the Sunday times, on cancer in Iceland, because of the static gene-pool round there they managed to trace the introduction of the cancer gene to a particular person back in the islands history!
Kind of worrying that there is so little variation that they could actually do that! Lot's of scope for inbred cultists by the sound of it.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:29:12 GMT
>Kind of worrying that there is so little variation that they
could
>actually do that! Lot's of scope for inbred cultists by the
sound
of it.
At the risk of iritating a lot of my irish Friends and possibly members of the list I would say that certain areas in County Kerry which are erm extremely like ares such as Dunnwich, and possibly Goatswood. And I'm sure that I saw one or two people with the Innsmouth Look when I last visited Cork.
Coincidence? I think not!
And how exactly did St Patrick chase the snakes out of Island?? Minature trained shoggoths perhaps? I am sure you could train them to seek out and destroy the nest and lairs of snakes (if snakes have such a thing). . . If I saw a shoggoth coming for me I'd certainly get out of the way DAMN fast.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:15:56 +0100
>>Kind of worrying that there is so little variation that they
could
>>actually do that! Lot's of scope for inbred cultists by
the sound
of
>>it.
>At the rsik of iritating a lot of my irish Friends and
possibly
>members of the list I would say that certain areas in County
Kerry
>which are erm extremely like ares such as Dunnwich, and
possibly
>Goatswood. And I'm sure that I saw one or two people with
the
>Innsmouth Look when I last visited Cork.
A good friend and workmate is off sick at the moment with a strange illness. He's from Valentia Island off the south Kerry coast.
Personally I don't think it's an "illness"....
>Coincidence? I think not!
Even better is Funghi the dolphin down in Dingle. Like most wild Dolphins that hang around human settlements, he prefers to swim with women. <shudder> That one has mythos written all over it.
Seriously though, that part of the world is ideal country for some bizarre goings on as my gang have found out and as someone from Dublin I don't take any offense. They're all weird down there :)
From: Peter Devlin
> Too bad they are all dead.
>(wait for
it)
>(now)
>OR ARE THEY??!!??
> ?
>DUNdunduuuuuum
Actually they're not :-) They're just waiting for the planet to be cleared off so they can reclaim suitable areas for themselves.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:47:58 +0100
Wasn't someone successfully prosecuted for doing things like that..... Lucky DG wasn't about, they'd have blown that DO breeding machine right out of the water.
I should take another read of the SR Ireland sourcebook, there's probably a load of good things to steal in there.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:12:44 GMT
>Seriously though, that part of the world is ideal country for
some
>bizarre goings on as my gang have found out and as someone
from
>Dublin I don't take any offense. They're all weird down there
:)
Phew that's a relief. Still I think you are right. Mind you talking of odd what about the natvies of the Isles of Scilly?? Got to have a few screws loose to live there in my opinion.
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:38:26 -0400
Phil Sands wrote:
>And I'm sure that I saw one or two people with the
>Innsmouth
Look when I last visited Cork.
Cork? Nooooo! My ancestors are from Cork...and I guess you could say I have the Innsmouth Look, a bit... Excuse me, but I must go dunk myself in the ocean and join my friends in Y'ha-nthlei.
From: Mark Williamson
> But the observation is still valid. Bioelectrical pulses do not
travel
> through a nerve as fast as an electrical circuit with the
same function.
A
> huge shoggoth would have a hell of a time trying to stay current
with what's
> going on throughout it's mass. It might have to decentralize
processing
to
> get things done. The various processing nodes would grow in complexity
(and
> autonomy) depending on how active they are required to be. A
single
shoggoth
> could turn into a de facto hive mind.
I always imagined and played (Shoggoths) as having the same make up as the creature from John Carpenter's The Thing. Ie. every cell is an individual creature which is able to take on the characteristics of what every organ or body part or whatever that the Shoggoth is gowing. That makes Shoggoths mindless masses of cells which exist to feed and survive rather than thinking entities. The size and shape of the Shoggoth is complety adpated to enviornment it lives in and it only reacts to changes in the enviornment.
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:46:58 +0200
>Now: I once
>heard that the Icelanders' genes are pretty much
the same now as they
were
>Way Back When. Maybe Iceland is the last vestiges of Hyperborea
(outside
of
>a few Greenland Eskimos, that is)?
>Maybe Bjork is a direct descendant of Satampra Zeiros. =)
Hey boy , you are not the only that questioned what the Icelanders' genes must contain. In fact, the Decode Genetics enterprise has being granted by the iceland parlament to make a detailed genetic map of all the Iceland population.
I use this as a Karo. brach to rebuild a Shoggoth-Killer , developed during the Elder Thing's wars. Small , smart , and nearly invincible , this creature evolved at his own once far from his creators , and was interbreeded with the Hyperboreans / Northern Humans....
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 00:49:01 +0200
>Can a shoggoth have it's own civil war?
Sure...We call it "Mitosis" , "Asexual reproduction" or simply "fission"
From: Marc McFadden
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:59:32 EDT
<< >Can a shoggoth have it's own civil war?
Sure...We call it "Mitosis" , "Asexual reproduction" or simply "fission" >>
Unless the Union wins, in which case it enforces punitive laws and exports carpetbaggers. Not good for a growing Shoggoth, but a great documentary series.
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:07:43 GMT
I for one would love to see that stats for that wee beastie.
>I use this as a Karo. brach to rebuild a Shoggoth-Killer , developed
>during the Elder Thing's wars. Small , smart , and nearly
invincible
>this creature evolved at his own once far from his creators
, and
was
>interbreeded with the Hyperboreans / Northern Humans....
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:30:01 +0200
The "Thing" is a Shoggoth-Matter infected with DNA of the Star-Spawn of Cthulhu.
It has the polimorphic capability of a Shoggoth , but the capacity to "compress" its matter to the point of Stainless Steel (sure you remind the T-1000 series in "Terminator 2) , and Human-class inteligence and size.
In the story i'm currently writting , some of it's human breed descendants is aboard the "Hesperides" , making a "routine" investigation on Antartic waters. The K. boys order to his contact in the ship , to inoculate some genetic markers to ascertain its purity , as they need some examples of the descendents to rebuild the Shoggoth-killer thing. Unfortunedly , a underwater volcanic eruption in Deception Island makes that it's formely recessive genes become dominant....and the things goes hot....
More in the full version ... if i can manage to end it before the "bad guys" (tm) can trace my connection to the net
From: "Shoggoth"
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:11:33 +0200
> And if the enemy of my enemy is my ally, then short of getting
kissy-face
>with them, we're already on the same side in some important
relationships.
> Too bad they are all dead.
Sure are they ALL dead?
I think not...even in our planet can be vestiges....and of course , there are more suitable planets to stablish an outpost...
What if the other outpost send a commando to see what happened to the "lost colony" ?
